Retcons: Rename "Probe", "Explosive" Damage

(Archer en Tilavine) #1

Let me start out by saying that this is primarily a fun thread. Nothing NEEDS to change and this is mostly just fun to think about, so don’t take it too seriously - I know I’m not.

== Renaming “Probe” ==
The “Probe” ship has one of the worst names of all the named entities in the game, especially since the term “probe” is more commonly used to refer to scanner (etc) probes, which themselves could be used on the Probe by virtue of it being an exploration ship.

In the past, CCP has renamed items before, so there is precedent for a name change. I propose the Probe ship be renamed to… Sojourner. Why? A Sojourner is someone who resides temporarily from place to place (and may imply “searching for something”), just like an explorer in EVE does, or some of the nomadic Minmatar do. It also pays homage to Sojourner Truth, an important African-American abolitionist and women’s rights advocate, which I feel plays well with the lore of the not-coincidentally dark-skinned Minmatar people and their history of enslavement under the not-coincidentally-‘Aryan’ Amarr.

I also think a better name would encourage it’s use (I think it’s fair to say it’s one of the most underutilized ships in the game relative to comparable ships). I mean… look at what happened to the Drake: I am willing to bet that the Drake would not be half as popular as it is now if it didn’t have such a ‘cool’ name. Popularity begins with marketing, and if the name sucks, it doesn’t matter how good it is, nobody is going to buy it.

In the end, I think it’s fair to say that almost any name would be better than a name as generic and ambiguous as “Probe”, esp. with more commonly used “probes” already being used.

== Renamed “Explosive” ==
I don’t think anyone is going to take seriously, but I think it’s fun to think about.

Now I’m not a physicist by any means, but when I think of a conventional explosion, I think of kinetic and thermal forces. Why, then, are explosions their own damage type? Even in other kinds of theoretical explosions, such as an “EM Explosion”, there is still a kinetic force element if not heat. The point is, just about any explosion you can conceive is comprised of existing forces (EM, T, K) rather than its own intrinsic force. Therefore, I (not-so-seriously) propose Explosive damage be renamed to something unique that, in real life, would do little damage to shields and a lot of damage to armor and could plausibly, consistent with existing lore, be utilized by the Minmatar such as… Chemical.

Think about it.

Spray harsh chemicals and whatnot onto a shield - not much is going to happen. Sure, certain things will happen at an atomic level that will have a marginal effect, but ultimately it will have little impact, just like how right now explosive damage does little to shield. Likewise, spray harsh chemicals onto armor plates and watch them erode - just like explosions already do. Of the three turret types, projectiles are the only ones that are unenergized, specialize in explosive (slash soon-to-be-chemical) damage, and are named after elements (chemical feel to it already), so I think it would make sense that, lore wise, Minmatar would compensate for the lack of energized ammunition with chemical reactions primarily specialized for anti-armor combat.

Going forward, instead of talking about EM/T/K/EX, we can talk about E/T/K/C - we just saved ourselves from typing not one but TWO extra letters. If that’s not worth fighting for then I don’t know what is!

(Merin Ryskin) #2

Explosive is blast wave damage, kinetic is piercing/shrapnel damage.

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(Archer en Tilavine) #3

(Again, just having fun discussing this)

I agree; however, blast waves are compression waves, which are kinetic in nature. On the other hand, it did not occur to me that when CCP uses the term kinetic they mean piercing rather than blunt damage (which would explain why kinetic does more damage to shields than a explosive), so this is a very valid point and gives me a better appreciation for the current naming system. However, I still believe “Chemical” is still more distinguished from explosive in that there is less inherent overlap and ambiguity between it and kinetic/thermal.

(Scoots Choco) #4

Are there a significant proportion of the userbase that is actually concerned about the alleged “ambiguity” or are you just saying this because it ‘sounds cool’?

wew

(Archer en Tilavine) #5

I would hope not. Anyone who’s concerned about anything in this post needs new glasses if they can’t see the bold italicized disclaimer I put at the top :sweat_smile:

But yes, you caught me: I’m biased. Sue me! :slight_smile:.

(Ms Steak) #6

How about the notion that in the vacuum of space there is nothing to compress?

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(Merin Ryskin) #7

EVE space is not a vacuum, as demonstrated by the fact that your ship slows and stops once you turn the engines off.

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(Bronson Hughes) #8

I love where you’re going with this, but you’re violating a cardinal rule of EvE that states that Thou shale not compare EvE physics to actual physics.

-1.

(Archer en Tilavine) #9

To be honest I’m honestly surprised that no one is talking about renaming the “Probe”, which I would have thought to be at least plausible even if you guys didn’t like my name choice. :broken_heart:

(Scoots Choco) #10

It doesn’t even match the rest of the Minmatar ship’s theme.
Also, it’s interesting how race is really the primary factor behind your suggestion.

(JUSTIFIED ARROGANCE) #11

Yes, let’s change a system 15+ years old because it offends your sensibilities, sounds like the beginning of a landslide of requests for other pointless game changes because most people probably have some pet-peeve they would like changed in EVE for no good reason other than it offends their sensibilities.