Hi lads,
I’m currently having a lot of fun with a Retribution in PVP.
Still being quite a newbro I’d like some advises on the use of the assault damage control and the CPU management.
The retrib is absolutely amazing but run out of cap really fast, do you have any tips and tricks on that matter ?
My second question would be, how is the best way to use the assault damage control while in a pvp fight. I feel like the best way would be to wait to be around 40-50% armor so that the opponent has a feeling i’m going down just to see my % going straight back up. Can i optimize that ?
Thanks for any useful input.
[Retribution, ]
EFFA Compact Assault Damage Control
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Heat Sink II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Energy Collision Accelerator II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Synth Exile + Hardshell 5 are pretty cheap boosters that increase armor repair amount. Which means you can repair more HP for the same amount of cap. Or better, the same amount of HP for less cap.
Whenever someone else is attacking you, don’t use your point from the beginning. He wants to kill you, he will stay as long as he sees a chance to win. Begin to point when the fight turns to your side and he might want to try an escape.
Try cheap abyssal rolls on T1 named warp disruptors. An Enduring Warp Disruptor with a -cpu roll might fit and give you better cap efficiency.
Always carry Navy Standard S lenses with you, if you can control a target nicely, they save you a lot of cap for sacrificing some killing speed.
You don’t use the ADC to “make him see something”. Use the ADC if you
would die within the next 10 second’s if you don’t. Aka you take lots of damage and seriously need to increase speed, change vector or warp out quickly
have serious cap issuse so stopping your repper or MWD for a short amount of time is your only chance not getting capped out. U can “passive tank” a short time with the increased resistances from the ADC, recharge cap and then continue the fight
have come in a situation where your opponent applies better on you than you are applying on him. Use the ADC to maneuver yourself back into a better position (or a position to make an escape). For example if you are too close to an AC-ship (you will want to pull range) or have too much range vs an Arty-Ship (you will want to close in).
Capacitor is the weak spot of the Retribution. The solution to that can be to fit a bit of bling. But if you are just getting into PvP, that’s not the best idea.
An alternative can be to use the low slot for something different than the ADC. Adding a NOS to your spare high slot can also help - at least keeping your scram going.
Have a look at this fit from Gideon Zendikar Retribution | Gideon Zendikar | Killmail | zKillboard
And if you can not keep your guns going with conflagration crystals, try to use standard - they use the least capacitor - very handy when you kite.
Speaking of kiting: The fit below is how I’d fly a cheap-ish Retribution for kiting. Not brawling. The idea is to not use your rep unless you really need it. With standard crystals loaded, that fit should be cap-stable. (the Core Probe Launcher is offline btw)
[Retribution, Cheap T2 Retri]
Assault Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Dual Light Beam Laser II
Dual Light Beam Laser II
Core Probe Launcher II
Dual Light Beam Laser II
Dual Light Beam Laser II
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
Imperial Navy Xray S x4
Imperial Navy Standard S x8
Gleam S x4
Aurora S x8
Multifrequency S x4
Nanite Repair Paste x108
Core Scanner Probe I x16
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x4
Agency 'Overclocker' SB5 Dose II x2
Synth Frentix Booster x2
I don’t know anything about assault frigs, as i don’t fly them yet. But I do a lot of standard frig PvP and i wanted to comment on a few fitting conflicts i see in the fit you posted, and add a few suggestions.
Which range do you want to fight at? You have pulse lasers loaded with conflag, so I’m assuming brawling. In that case I would suggest dropping the MWD for an afterburner, and the warp disruptor for a warp scrambler. You will gain back some of the cap, and you mentioned having trouble running out, so that will help.
Also using a mwd makes you way easier to apply damage to, as it makes your signature radius huge, and on top of that anyone you’re fighting that’s also fit for brawling will have a scrambler fit which will kill your mwd, and your speed.
I would consider swapping the nanofibers out for resist modules, like a multispectrum or fill in a “resist hole” with a single damage type variety if you know what the person shooting back at you is using.
Final note on brawling fit is i would consider using imp. navy multi ammo instead of conflag. While conflag has the highest dps output it also makes your tracking worse, so unless what you’re shooting at is big and slow, or is being made big and slow by someone you’re flying with (tackler with webs, or target painters, etc) you’ll likely not be applying at peak damage anyway.
Conversely, if you’re planning to kite I’d swap the conflag for scorch as it will give you pretty decent range likely out of scram and probably web range (unless someone is coming after you with a range bonused e-war ship) and maybe a locus rig to push your optimal range out a few extra km, to make sure you have a nice buffer to avoid getting webbed/scrammed.
Faction modules can significantly help, for 50M give or take you can upgrade the rep and mwd. With mastery 5 this has 4m30s of cap with Conflagration but is stable with all other types. Downsizing the guns or swapping the nanofiber for a capacitor power relay or power diagnostic relay would also make a big difference. Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management and 'Squire' Capacitor Systems Operation will both help too.
[Retribution, *Simulated Retribution Fitting]
EFFA Compact Assault Damage Control
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Heat Sink II
Republic Fleet Small Armor Repairer
Federation Navy 5MN Microwarpdrive
J5 Enduring Warp Disruptor
Small Focused Pulse Laser II
Small Focused Pulse Laser II
Small Focused Pulse Laser II
Small Focused Pulse Laser II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Conflagration S x8
That is a very interesting fit thank you. It takes me to 2’30s cap. The only skill i see that i could max to 5 to imrove that would be High Speed Maneuvering but i doubt i would take me to 4 minutes. Do you get that results with the implants ?
Go try it, but keep in mind: The more expensive your fits get, the more you will hesitate to actually take fights, because the losses hurt your wallet so much more. Also if you fight guys on a regular basis, they will quickly find out that you “bling” to a degree (mods > T2 and Implants), which means they might begin to bait you, outbling you or avoid fighting you. My suggestion is to use as little bling as possible to make a fit work.
May I suggest the domination 5mn mwd instead? The domination one gives a signature bonus and some capacitor, I believe. Should also be a green module like the fed navy one. The domination one is from the angel cartel, so you could find one in a highsec asteroid belt, unless they removed those too.
The best way to do it is to fit it properly and not use an Assault Damage Control.
True Retri fits need dps and fit 2 nanos and 2 heat sinks, and just kill things before they can kill you.
Caldari Navy point and A type MWD really make it much better as well, and bring the price to around 150m which for its performance is still really good.
Small Focused Beam Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
