You’re talking about the mechanic of yellow wrecks that belong to other players and white wrecks that belong to you right?
Outside HS all wrecks are white and there is no suspect timer involved when I open the wreck created by someone else. There is zero mechanical difference between the wrecks and there also is no suspect timer to allow players to attack me when I open someone else’s wreck, because people can attack me without CONCORD interference at any time anyway in parts of space without CONCORD!
Wreck ownership is a HS thing. It may also be a LS thing, I haven’t played there enough to know. It is not a thing in NS, Pochven or Wormhole space.
Wrecks in NS do have a name tag of who created the wreck. They are not the owner of the wreck though, because outside HS it’s a big free-for-all. No rules. Loot whatever, fight whoever. If you wish to own those wrecks, you have to make sure you can enforce your claim of the wreck through firepower or diplomacy.
No.
I’m talking about the mecanism of the owner of a wreck.
Wrecks being yellow is a safety mecanism. Which shows you as yellow the wrecks that are not owned by a member of your fleet and not abandonned. They use the ownership mecanism but they are two different things.
Liar.
You already know the ownership mecanism exists outside of HS as you wrote about it.
At this point you are a plain troll.
Because you keep making propaganda with plain BS like “there is no wreck ownership mechanism in NS”.
While you already know of that mechanism since you talked about it before.
The funny thing is that I don’t have this issue with most other people. I only get all these accusations whenever we two talk. Maybe I am not the problem here?
My point being that the ownership of wreck makes you concern invalid.
And then that you claim there is no ownership in NS is plain BS, since you already talked about it.
Whenever we are in a discussion and you don’t see a good counterargument, you simply call “troll” or any other personal attack and think that is a good reaction.
It isn’t. That’s how you derail a useful discussion into a mud-slinging contest.
I am aware that by pointing this out I too am going off topic. I hope you may get insights from it, but I think that’s an idle hope.
Wreck contents belong to the person who created the wreck in HS
Wreck contents are free-for-all outside HS
Wrecks themselves (not the contents) can legally be salvaged by anyone, even in HS
So, if we ignore the loot container of the wrecks:
The salvageable wrecks therefore belong to no-one in HS. And definitely outside HS. It has a creator, but no owner.
No, they show who OWNS the wreck.
The wreck ITSELF belongs to the killer. And yes the content also belongs to him, as usual for containers.
Sometimes the wreck belongs to the victim(when killed by specific NPC).
The rules of concord is that when you take something you don’t OWN you become suspect.
Just like shooting a wreck makes you criminal, unless specific cases.
The wrecks have a owner. This ownership is only used in game mechanism in HS, does not change that it exists in LS/NS. (I think there are actually other cases like salvage drones not auto-salvaging some wrecks not owned, not sure if still the case)
You refuse to call it correctly out of dogmatic BS because you can’t differentiate between your opinion and the game mechanisms. That’s childish and the reason we digress.
Again, try to not be a troll, that would make the discussion better.
Ownership means nothing if it has no meaning in the game beyond having your name as tag on the wreck.
People can salvage the wreck regardless of who created it, even in HS space.
But, let’s pretend wreck ownership means something to see if it would help your suggestion:
Your suggestion is a high slot module that tractor beams all wrecks owned (= created) by the pilot.
How does this work for the scenario that I was talking about, where half a dozen people are salvaging and looting a battlefield after a big null sec battle?
‘Ownership’ is all over the place, probably none of the wrecks ‘belong’ to any of the salvagers and any players bringing a dedicated Noctis or other salvager to clean the site of loot and wrecks is going to have a dysfunctional module if it works as you describe.
Where I was afraid that all of those players would tractor in all the same wrecks, your suggested limitation means that none of those players will be able to tractor in any of those wrecks.
I do not think your suggestion is a good one, even if wreck ‘ownership’ is a thing.
Yes, ownership is a mechanism. Ignoring it does not make your argument clever.
It’s the same mechanism used for your MTU, for your ship even when you eject it, for the bomb you launch, for the can you jettison, for the missiles or the drones : everything in space has a owner.
The owner of a wreck is the owner of the entity which applied its last hit, or if not possible (like environment damage) it’s the owner of the ship.
Like it or not.
Trolling with you dogmatic BS won’t change that fact.
It works exactly as I said : you can only tractor the wrecks you own.
And yes it’s not worth using in that case. Because this effect would add a huge load on the server (AOE have an impact linear with the number of entities on the grid, so if you have n salvagers and m entitites : drones, ships, wrecks, etc then the load is n×m )
I know wrecks in EVE have a creator, which apparently is the same thing as ownership with other objects.
I admit that you are right about that.
What I do wish to say is that ownership without any ownership rules means little. If anyone can salvage ‘my’ wrecks legally, does my ownership of those wrecks mean anything?
As far as I can tell, wreck ownership only means something for the non-salvage loot contents and only within HS. Wreck ownership is irrelevant everywhere else.
Agree and this would also be a conflict driver as MTUs would spend more time on the field where people could scan them down and attack them.
Sounds reasonable. Also what about making wrecks scannable?
That would also help letting more people salvage them if they can be scanned down even if the owner doesn’t bother to do so not even leaving an MTU behind (especially after the proposed 1. from you.)
Doesn’t mean much when it comes to salvage rights, though worth mentioning that in HS wreck ownership means CONCORD gets involved if you shoot (attack) the wreck in an illegal fashion. Don’t think this matters much if any at all for the subject but maybe it is, regardless it is a funfact to keep in mind I think.
And that’s digression for the sake of your propaganda BS.
Nobody cares. Just because you don’t use that mechanism does not make it disappear.
This is off-topic judgement that bring nothing to the topic but promote your dogmatism.
Your opinion that this mechanism is relevant or not, is irrelevant.
You already knew what I was talking about. You made troll arguments for the sake of your propaganda, and you insisted on that digression with personal attacks for personal interest (propaganda). So yes those posts were troll.
