"Paying real world money for plex, selling it in game for that shiny new ship you been after i.e. a freighter. "
Let’s take that as your one sentence. Seems the problem is more in your Pay-2-Win attitude and not so much in EVE itself. CCP should start displaying the 8 golden rules of EVE on the logon & loading screens.
EVE is bad because it’s development is stagnant.
EVE is bad because it’s players are too demanding and vocal.
EVE is bad because there are too many exploitable mechanics.
EVE is bad because it cannot atract and keep new players
EVE is bad because it has an aged player base.
EVE is bad because its a disgustingly long real time investment.
EVE is bad because of RMT and botting.
EVE is bad because death penalty is too harsh compared to other games.
EVE won’t let me fly upside down.
in all seriousness i love this game so much and i enjoy the actual gameplay, sorry to dissapoint
If CCP were able to make a MMO with good content for all player types they would’ve done it already, hell if any company was able to make such a thing they would have done it, that’s like asking why nobody made the perfect game yet. I’d much rather have they focus on what they know how to make then to create mediocre ■■■■ to appeal to the lowest common denominator of every genre.
I would say that StarCraft comes pretty close to a perfectly balanced game where all players seem fairly happy with the product and no nauseating favoritism is show for one segment of the player base (unlike eve that favors predators, nullsec in the uttermost, at the expense of other players that, in CCP’s vision, are sheep that should not only be farmable but the table of balance between predator and prey should be so extremely in favor of the predator that victory is all but guaranteed before the engagement even begins.
As evidence to this favoritism i give you the freighter, until some of us fought hard to get them some mod slots their defense was as easy to look up as simply bringing up the ship description, you knew EXACTLY what its defense would be, you could even bring layered offense to the fight to chew through each layer in succession because you knew the exact values each layer had.
Even now almost all industrial based ships cannot defend themselves AT ALL, merely extend their deaths a few seconds longer. I will also point out that the one super industrial beast that actually has enough defense and offense to fend off predators if properly fit and played is the Rorqual and of course which group of players has EXCLUSIVE access to this beast-mode industrial ship, you guessed it the predators.
What CCP knows how to make is a game grossly favoring one segment of the playerbase at the expense of all the other players, not really a target of achievement that should be lauded for its excellence.
As to mediocrity, EVE is mediocre and always will be until CCP begins to treat all of its players with equal concern which it has zero intention of doing, hence it’s mediocrity will continue for its entire existence.
Eve is like The Simpsons. It will never die, but it’ll also never be good again. Feels like a zombie version of what it used to be.
EVE is bad because Russian botters are making me look retarded for investing any effort or time in ISK-making activities.
JAVA! I really don’t want those devs program in C++! You’ll need over 200 TB of RAM just to undock if they made this in C++.
EVE is bad because people mistake “elite tactics” with dumb, bot like behavior, and then applaud people for a great feat that is none in reality.
This thread seems to be a very long and ineffective complaint form.
EvE, not what it used to be? That’s active game evolution, at least an attempt to remain relevant, grow and expand.
Feel left out in your career, corp, alliance compared to a perceived favored few? You can vote with your dollars in two ways now. Unsub and go Alpha or quit all together.
I don’t like it that miners are effectively fish in a barrel. Just warp to where they are, no scanning or real hunting effort involved. I still play because I really like the overall game.
To my mind the perfect space game is being developed now. Its at least 2 years from Beta. It offers far more scope of gameplay than EvE. However it cannot be compared side by side. EvE is The Macroverse, this new is game is more about the microverse interacting with all the fine details that are mostly automated in EvE. That being said, I think these two games will be a complete Space Opera opportunity. I hope to see some symbiosis between them at some future date.
Most of you know the game, I don’t mention it because I personally don’t think it right to advertise other games inside of this one.
Not enough worth while content.
Come on now starcraft is a (1-3)V(1-3)(?) completely instanced game with 0 variety compared to eve or any MMO for that matter. What are the “segments of the player base” on starcraft? the guy who plays ladder and the one who plays casually? It’s simply impossible to compare it to eve where you have not only almost infinite amounts of different roles to fill from corp marketer to solo WH, but different levels of engagement on each.
Even now almost all industrial based ships cannot defend themselves AT ALL, merely extend their deaths a few seconds longer
Well yeah, they’re industrial ships, they should be used for industrial means. You can argue that it would be interesting to allow them to fit guns but honestly I see no reason why a ship made specifically for industrial purposes should have said weapons. If you wish to be able to “defend yourself” fly a normal ship with cargo extenders or whatever.
of course which group of players has EXCLUSIVE access to this beast-mode industrial ship, you guessed it the predators.
Do you need to be in a nullblock to use a rorq? no? then they don’t have exclusive access. If that conclusion was taken from the idea that you can’t light a cyno for it in highsec just ponder how would it ever be at any risk with concord? it would be literally indestructible.
And the “predator” part, they’re miners lol. And honestly the whole idea of eve is that everyone is a predator, if you’re mining a belt and selling the ore you are a predator to the guy you just undercutted, if you are doing exploration you are a predator to the guy who was looking for that relic site you just completed, EVERYONE is a potential predator and that’s what makes normally mundane ■■■■ like hauling into nullsec/WH’s be exciting. If you want the neutered experience of being safe all the time and not having to worry about ■■■■ there is 90% of all the MMO market out there.
As to mediocrity, EVE is mediocre and always will be until CCP begins to treat all of its players with equal concern which it has zero intention of doing, hence it’s mediocrity will continue for its entire existence.
And yet here you are on the forum of the mediocre game that has been against your arbitrary segment of oppressed individuals.
Honestly mate why are you playing this game?
One sentence, people. Good god.
People in Eve forums often say rude and unkind things.
That because of its awesomeness I am spending so much more time on it then I actually should. 
Playing eve so long that I expect to see my avatar in my RL mirror xD
EvE isn’t bad, it’s the people who don’t know how to play well, whine and spend more time no forums that are bad.
I was referring to the fact that all the abilities of the races are balanced such that no perceptible advantage seems inherent in the games basis be rather the ability of a particular person to play a particular race. This balance of so many elements is not an easy thing even in a game with fewer variables. You overstate your case when you claim the game has zero variety there are many differing units in each race and a multitude of strategies to become the winner. If you wish to be dismissal that is your choice but the game is complex and balanced which you claim has not been achieved and i disagree.
In a game based on ship destruction it would be stupid beyond measure to make any ship that could not defend itself. Honestly, assume EVE was real would you travel in a defenseless ship, i should think you would insist it at least have some measure of both defense and offense and yet CCP as i mentioned in another thread made freighters without even mod slots for most of EVEs existence, pure rubbish design from the get go.
So you are going to mine in a rorqual and not have some null group covering your mining, i would like to know where you mine because i also would like to mine in this hostile free space in nullsec. You might get away with mining in some NPC space for awhile, i did it my first day playing eve in a venture but sooner or later your rorqual is going to go poof and after that they will be hunting you for a long time afterwards to see if youre dumb enough to try that same strategy again.
I have exactly zero idea how concord and lighting cynos in highsec ended up in response to a rorqual comment but it is so far off topic im going to leave that one alone.