You can with the old laptop on your side!
Btw EVE Launcher had a bug a couple months ago that was letting people log multiple alphas simultaneously, it lasted for 10 days only tough.
Iâm not talking about killing off the existing playerbase. I donât think the majority of the existing playerbase would care.
Only if you want to get banned. Itâs against the rules and when CCP catch you logging multiple alphas or logging alphas with omegas they come down hard.
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Thatâs why I informed CCP about the bug LOL, I got a little affraid of getting banned, I was just covering my own ass.
I completely regret submiting a ticket about it, the GM reaction about this was quite funny.
Yes, you are.
How can you say that earnestly, when these upcoming changes have objectively elicited such a strong organic community reaction here and on other social media locations? No nullbloc leader said âpost on the forums / reddit / twitter / discordâ yet many thousands of comments collectively across all sites are springing up.
Youâre simply lying rather than owning the consequences of the position youâre arguing for.
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How about we agree that they remove gate guns in low sec. Iâll take all the tethering changes, all the docking changes, whatever. You want to sit in hi sec and be baby sat all day? Fine. But if you want to go anywhere else, do anything else, you need to do it on your own skill, not with NPCs holding your hand.
Itâs only elicited a response from a small but very loud group. Most people that play donât come on the forums or reddit. I think youâre massively overplaying the response to push your own agenda.
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As a miner ganker currently on a multi year break I donât think this would actually change anything at all about my game play.
At least the carebears canât cry about alphas getting abused for ganking anymore. Now they will cry about ganking being pay2win because it requires omega
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It isnât âan agendaâ, it is how the game is and has been for 19 years. About PvP.
Youâre not arguing in good faith, demonstrably.
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As much as i support ganking as emergent gameplay to add necessary spice to everydayâs gameplay, i also support this decision. You wanna drop 17 catalysts on me? Iâm absolutely cool with that. As long as you paid for all of them.
In fact I think no alpha should even be allowed on accounts older than 2 months without SEVERE limitations.
Yeah Iâd be fine with that. The way I see it, highsec is PvE, lowsec is small scale warfare without mass capital support, nullsec is massive ships shooting each other with death rays and wormholes are the nomadic playstyle. CCP shoud lean into making each area have their unique properties.
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The game has changed in many different ways over 19 years, as has the market. Itâs your agenda because youâre not figthing all changes, just changes you donât like. If you genuinely fought against any changes CCP made Iâd accept your claim that itâs just about âhow the game is and has been for 19 yearsâ. We both know itâs not just about that though.
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What we both know is youâre putting words in my mouth, which I abhor. You know nothing about me, so stop it.
Objectively the game has always been about conflict and PVP and âmight makes rightâ. You simply saying âno, I donât subscribe to that philosophyâ didnât make it so.
No duh, I talk about preferences I like and push back against things I donât. It doesnât make it some âagendaâ, it is just me and my preferences.
Either treat me as a fellow human being with dignity or donât talk at all. Youâre continuing to discuss overtly in bad faith using internet-addled-brain levels of stupid like âagendaâ, âwe both knowâ, and other bad-faith red flags.
Not surprised coming from the person that played wanna-be speech-police thought-control on the last thread I opened.
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Iâm not putting words anywhere, Iâm just not accepting your reasoning. The game has not always been about conflict and PvP, but it has contained conflict and PvP. That wonât change, even if highsec is made safe.
So you push back against things you donât like and not things you do like. Therefore you claims that youâre automatically right because you claim itâs how the game âhas been for 19 yearsâ are hypocritical.
How can you sit with a straight face telling me to treat you with dignity while at the same time you are insulting me?
What I wanted on your last thread was an open discussion. Instead you declared that anyone who didnât agree with you was off-topic then you started mass flagging posts to enforce that.
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So, for the sake of this, Iâm going to work under the premise that ganking is an issue in the game. I donât necessarily believe that, but to simplify the issue, lets just say it is.
As a preface to my take on this, I want to say Iâm the player that has spent a lot of time exploring the little nooks and crannies of the game on my main and alts. Iâve ganked, anti-ganked and been ganked, run a war dec corp, suspect baited and hunted suspect baiters. Iâve dipped my toes into most of what eve has to offer, made and lost small fortunes and won and lost fights in every region of space. I have 30-something accounts, up to 12 of which have been omega at any one time. Iâve multi-boxed high end pve content, scouted for frigate fleets and gone toe toe with small fleets in just a solo battleship. I wont pretend i know everything about the game, but I feel like I have pretty good mile high view of a lot of it.
The upcoming changes to docking, tethering and the inability to disable safety on an alpha are going to have very serious unintended consequences.
Docking and tethering:
Maybe something should be done about 50 man fleets of -10 catalysts sitting on tether for hoursâŠbut not allowing criminals to dock in a ship, or seemingly tether at all is going to make staging supplies 1 jump into highsec for use in lowsec a lot less practical. Want to move weapons and ammo from Villore into Old Man Star for use on a -7 character? Well, now you cant just jump in, grab stuff from a citadel and jump back out. Hope youâre ready to pay a hauler to move it into low for you if you dont have a non-criminal hauling alt. Say gooddbye to keeping spare fitted ships ready for a fight 1 jump out of Ahbazon or any other regularly camped system.
How about taking your lowsec pilot on a yeet fleet staging out of jita or a bigger roam starting in highsec? Well, you better have perfect timing on that yeet fleet, to undock, land and filament out before concord catches up to you. Hopefully everyone remembers to have their safeties set properly. On that bigger roamâŠdid FC say dock/tether in the last highsec system? Guess you just have to leeroy into the next system and hope you can get docked/tethered in there while you wait for the rest of the fleet.
Sure, these things arent going to impact every player in the game, but I personally know a decent number of people who dont gank but are going to have to seriously modify their playstyles due to lack of tether.
But, Alpha clones not being able to disable safety is actually a much bigger issue:
Alpha clones are fundamentally trial characters, and any time you tell an alpha âno, you cant try thisâ its going to increase the odds of that particular player walking away. A basic tenant of marketing is that a person who had a negative experience (in this case being told, âPay us $20 to simply try something you may or may not likeâ is more likely to tell people, and tell more people, than a person who had a positive experience. Sure one could make the argument the other way and say the guy getting ganked will talk about his negative experience, but from where Iâm sitting âPay $20 to try a tiny sliver of contentâ is more likely to be spread around than âMy spaceship got blown up in the spaceship gameâ
It may not be obvious on the surface, but ganking alpha alts do serve an important purpose in highsec. If you are mining a highsec moon, you incur the cost and risk associated with drilling the moon, but you have no control over who mines it. Your only 2 options to defend the moon pop are: Bumping the other miners off (not very effective if they have any clue how to work against it) or try and gank them. Right now, that defensive ganking can be done on alphas. You can set the alt to train, and if its needed its there, but it allows you to focus on things more useful to you on all the slots of your omega account. Take those alts away and I guarantee you its only a matter of time before the roaming fleets of hulks and orcas, all in a non war-deccable corp begin descending on moon pops. Bearing none of the risk or cost, simply taking the reward, with no viable counterplay.
A fleet of 20 hulks with orca boosts can strip a month long moon pull in under 4 hours with Type B crystals, If they just want to deny the ore they can do it even faster with type C crystals. Sure you could bump the orca off, but with the 3 minute warp timer, 2 orcas could be cycled in and keep the boosts up without any interruption. I know this can be done because Iâve been involved in theory crafting just such a fleet to try and deny someone their moon pops. There is genuinely no practical counterplay to this other than ganking that I am aware of, and the average highsec mining and industry guy probably isnt going to want to dedicate one of his omega slots to a gank alt. Unfortunately, this kind of mining fleet would be incredibly easy to automate, and relatively difficult to prove is utilizing bots.
My math says that currently a fleet able to find enough highsec moons to run from one to the next, using 2 orcas and 20 hulks costs at most just shy of 54 billion a month to plex, but can rake in somewhere in the neighborhood of 690 billion isk a month in ore. I guarantee you Iâm not the only person doing that math.
If, and i truly hope this isnt the case, the the changes to alpha safeties extend not just to setting safeties to red, but also yellow (testing on Singularity as of the time I started writing this didnt show problems doing either), it slams the door on a whole list of activities for alphas. say goodbye to yeet fleets, suspect baiting, ninja looting, MTU and mobile depot hunting. Iâm sure there are more, but its 2am as I write this.
If ganking is an issue, then finding a way to balance it is a good thing, but the current plan is going to hurt a lot more non-gankers than it is gankers. Want to take away tether? Fine, give it a 60 second timer for those below -5. It gives any ship time to align and get into warp so the low-sec guys can still get supplies and the guys prepping for a fleet can get off to the low/null entrance, but keeps the cloud of catalysts from just hanging out in space. Do away with the docking issue all together. Want to make alphas less attractive for the large organized gank fleets? Do something like give them a new timer (call it whatever you like) that halves their DPS for an hour or 2, that also carries over to any associated accounts.
There have to be some more targeted approaches that can be taken than just chopping off key mechanics for players.
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@Phoenix_Askold Do you have a link to where I may read all of what you state?
PS: Never mind, looks like I found a link, lol.
https://forums.eveonline.com/t/upcoming-security-status-changes-pvp-paywall/382240
The only problem with the upcoming ganking nerfs is that they donât go far enough.
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They initially thought about disabling safety on alphas when they introduced them
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Shrug. Gankers and lowsec pirates are top-tier players. They will adapt. CCP has to protect their paying players that suck at the game. That is just logical. Getting nerfed by CCP should be considered a compliment.
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