Is the player feedback received by the game developers biased towards a specific subset of players?
How much do they hear from the players who have complaints but still manage to find the game worth playing?
How much do they hear from those players who really enjoyed the game for a time? Those players who were enthusiastic and active. Players making good progress on learning Eve Online and making valuable contributions. Valuable members of our corporations. The ones playing hours daily that just suddenly drop out. For the next thirty days, we hear nothing while their character status approaches the over-30-days status. Seems like rage quits, but we never really know.
The third group is the vocal ones, the griefing players. This forum hears from them loud and clear. Expecting us to play by their rules. Pilot ships the way they expect. Demanding we be better PvP players because they use cheap tactics. How dare anyone complain about player versus player combat in Eve Online. How many times do they tell someone this is a PvP game on this forum? Play smarter? Keep allowing ganking, gate camps, smart-bombing shuttles just attempting to pass through a choke-point system. How dare someone suggest improving game mechanics required for their cheap shots?
Is there a thread here without a griefing pilot suggesting someone stop playing Eve? Who does that benefit? Not faction warfare pilots. Those systems are dead. Not industrialists. Too easy to over-supply the market. Does high-security space benefit from empty systems? How about low-security space pilots? How about null-security space? Sovereign null space appreciates the new recruits fleeing areas controlled by griefers, but even they hurt from the recruiting and retention issues it causes. Who are the smart ones? Those hiding in a wormhole somewhere? At least their local channel meets with their expectations.
Would love to provide Fenris Creations with game feedback. On the support page, the AI assistant referred me to this forum. So, I am here. Should be fun.
With few exceptions, I don’t get the impression FC reads the forums beyond some limited lanes of feedback (like the feedback and known issues thread for a new expansion). If they do troll the other subforums, they probably don’t put much weight behind the feedback here because there is a definite bias, and it’s mostly negative.
So where do they get the majority of their feedback? As far as I can tell, metrics, surveys, and the CSM. They crunch numbers, they send out surveys, and they hold CSM elections to represent the players. Well, to be realistic, the CSM mainly represents the null blocs. But the metrics speak for everyone, and the surveys speak for those who respond. I just got a new survey the other day, which I filled out and submitted. I get them fairly frequently, so I don’t know if the distribution is random or if you get on a list when you actually respond to them. I just know that I get several a year.
I don’t know, I wouldn’t rule it out. All the changes to faction warfare? It is eeriely similiar to what I suggested here on the forums, long before the rework was even announced. Could be coincidence of course, but maybe not.
In the dev Q&A, I remember the devs describing their struggle to adequatly judge, whether an idea from the CSM is intended to be of personal benefit, or benefit to the game. So I can imagine how much more reserved they are going to be, if they are reading an unknown, unaffiliated person describing sweeping changes that will affect the game in a dramatic way.
Always personal benefit, if the game benefits it’s colateral.
Otherwise we wouldn’t be in this mess.
CSM should be extinguish, it’s NS ■■■■■■■■. Seriously, I don’t hate NS, but they forced EVE into this streamlined gameplay so they can have their wars easily for them, huge mistake.
Indirect reason that brought us here that leads to the amount of posts… DAILY:
EVE is boring because CCP now FC made the same mistakes other MMOs did, there’s no Excel balance, balance comes from the unbearable amount of options so there’s always a counter to something…
But the multis needed their life easier, so here we are. I’m still mourning warp core stabilizer…
Not to mention, N+1 destroyer PvP.
FC has nobody but themselves to blame, they created a politic class in EVE, they got what they deserve. At least the PLEX is coming… I guess, otherwise they are leaking a lot into these events.
o/
Almost one month now logging and my happiness is 99%. Great game indeed.
lol, â– â– â– â– ! Completely glossed over that part. I really thought this was about null-sec doing lobbying and influencing the developers. Sorry everyone, I thought we were dealing with a reasonable individual here.
The second part of the rant is about nullsec. But the first part cannot be about anyone else but gankers, so called griefers.
And I agree.
How dare you @Syzygium , @Gerard_Amatin tell me what ships I am supposed to fly, how should I fit them and how should I fly them?! Stop this griefing at once!
About as much as they hear from players who have no complaints or those who have complaints but don’t find the game enjoyable, or about as much as from anybody else. Fenris in general doesn’t read forums. Or complaints on the forums. If you want their attention, make a support ticket if you have a case.
Where are they? I haven’t seen any here on the forums or in game.
What the hell are you on about?
Just continue living your life taking advice from that thing. See how well it turns out.
A few things. 1) There are non null candidates for the CSM, such as myself, vote for them (especially me)
2) You are right that some folks make more noise than others and it is my firm belief that some consider the forums or reddit to be their game, not what Fenris has made.
3) Fill in the surveys when given a chance. Post ideas to the little things thread (in correct format)
My apologies for confusing so many members with this discussion. Intended this topic to point out the discrepancy in Fenris’s feedback implementation. Players attempting to enjoy the variety of game content have no hope of seeing game improvements. Fenris follows the feedback from players who spent their entire Eve game time giving other players grief. For instance, how many players from all levels of security systems enjoy high-security ganking? How many high-security players enjoy the ganking game mechanics as they are currently implemented? How many null-sec players enjoy finding a smart-bomber on a gate? How many players wanting quality PvP content enlist in faction warfare? What percentage of players are happy with the current PvP game mechanics?
This forum is filled with various players complaining about a minority of players taking cheap shots at players attempting game content. Gankers. Gate camps. Shuttle smart-bombers. Who’s feedback gets implemented? Destructive players instead of constructive players. What player group is most likely to just stop playing? What player group has the highest stability for long-term game play?
Of course, Fenris Creations has this information and shares little of it to us players. However, we can make rough conclusions based on our observations. So many of us know which gates are camped and the character names of the campers.
TLDR: I am politely requesting Fenris Creations takes note of possible selection bias in their feedback analysis. Hoping to see game updates with broader player support.
You bring up an interesting point. I started a discussion regarding ganking PvP during high-security space PVE missions, specifically security missions in dead space pockets.
How did that discussion go? Was insulted for not being a smarter player. Encouraged to quit playing if I did not like their rules. Determined to not yield to their demands.
Also realized in-game retribution was likely so I stopped engaging in my own discussion. June 29th, less than a week later, the Something Really Pretentious Alliance declared war on my 4-member holding corporation. The active player corporation using our assets is not much bigger. The following day, they reinforced 4 of 5 structures (Athanors) during our inactive time. Members of that alliance have been monitoring our activities in the system for months now. Reminds me of a cat hunting in a fish bowl.
Even feedback on the new Exordium region fits this pattern. How dare Eve developers create a space where players cannot cause other players grief? One player feels that roaming Exordium looking for players over 30 days as a worthy effort. Really?
Do you really think it’s likely that these guys are wardeccing you over your forum posts and not just because they clocked you as a bozo with a bunch of structures you can’t defend?
