Separate Space for Newbies?

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A Safe Space to Learn

PvP is a core element of the EVE Online experience and provides a crucial portion of the cycle of creation and destruction that drives New Eden’s economy. However, it can be stressful to know you’re at risk of PvP engagement before you’ve had a chance to learn the ropes, from basic movement controls to the major game systems and how they interact with each other.

Currently, new players in EVE are afforded a measure of protection from PvP while in the starter systems, career agent systems, and SoE epic arc systems, by a rule posted on our support website, and more generally by the fact that new players usually don’t carry valuable items that make them worthwhile targets for “suicide ganking”. (Of course, this doesn’t mean they are never targeted, just that it is quite uncommon.)

However, new players do not know this, and will often have read stories about how ruthless and cutthroat New Eden can be, or even specific stories of new players being destroyed in highsec space. This means that some new players are learning the basics of EVE Online under a cloud of anxiety, knowing that another player could show up and attack them at any time.

Exordium will have a new “starter space” security tier that completely prevents PvP within its borders. While players are in Exordium, their safety will be locked to green, and other normal methods of legal engagement in highsec, such as limited engagements, wars, and factional warfare, will not apply.

This is intended to provide new players with a secure environment to learn the game without needing to worry about PvP risk yet, to prepare them to continue their adventure by journeying into highsec and beyond.

To make the difference between this new security tier and highsec space clearer, Exordium systems will be set to 1.0 security status and all other systems that are currently 1.0 will be changed to 0.9 security.

The new security tiers will be:

  • 1.0 – Starter Space (Exordium)

  • 0.9-0.5 – Highsec

  • 0.4-0.1 – Lowsec

  • 0.0 and below – Nullsec

Exordium will also have several restrictions and limitations to preserve EVE Online’s balance. These include a curated set of PvE content available, higher taxes, decreased opportunities for value creation for most activities, and blocks that prevent use of player-controlled structures and deployables.

~ Some of you really need to read the whole thing. Some of you are the actual reason for the new starter systems, spreading your misinformation about gankers targeting new players when it’s very rare.

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You don’t seem to understand certain people very well, so let me again explain the reasoning of some:

Currently there is no central Exordium region with special rules apart from those few starter systems where ganking is forbidden. So there is no animosity and no reason to gank newbies.

However there will now be an entire region with special mechanics not only for in-space-interaction, but also economy wise. And it will be connected to the other part of EVE and therefore directly influence it.

That creates animosity that formerly didn’t exist. It is enough to punish the traffic going to and from Exordium.

So yes, currently targeting new players is rare. In the future it won’t be, the pure existence of Exordium will enforce it. And they will be cheap and easy prey as well. Without even the need for elaborate ganking fleets - a few smartbombs will do the trick.

Some gankers will do anything for the tears. The more centralized it gets, the better. I predict even a new gank category - maybe they call it “Exordium ganks” - meanwhile “Hellcamping” is also already a term that is out there…

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And as CCP has said in another thread, they will monitor it and take appropriate actions, they are already redrafting TOS/EULA to include verbiage that allows them to take actions against those players.

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Absolutely nothing of that will happen.

The amount of ISK that can be made in there will be absolutely miniscule compared to the overall economy.

People trying to gank Newbies right behind the gate to Yulai will be punished. Probably in a way that they understand the message (aka banning not only the gankchar but also all related accounts).

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Right. I will also be watching this very interested in what will happen. And of course one has to wait and read the fineprint to be acting on valid terms and not be in danger of getting banned.

But even if those rules will be hard for Yulai…it will surely be allowed in the next system?
Yulai has only three adjacent systems and you need only a single smartbomb capable character to harvest killmails of hulls and pods.

Depending if they again change a map or not after the release there might be other suitable points from a gankers perspective. I just comment on what i read.

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Newbies will die at some point. Some even in HighSec. So what? Exordium Rules makes pretty clear that it is a somewhat “protected area” and even the dumbest of players will understand that he loses that protection once he leaves the area. But they have time in there to actually learn how to maneuver, how to learn basic combat and being approached by veteran recruiters who can tell them about dangers and how to avoid those.
You will always have people refusing to listen, okay, then those will get ganked 2 jumps out of Yulai. Maybe some of them will then quit. Let them, EVE probably wouldn’t have satisfied them.

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True nature of Ganking died with James.

If James were still here those new new systems would not have to be opened.

James315 was true and fair and never faulted or acted outside of the code of new halaima

/James315 led pilots upper class skillset and many fell into line. He showed his flock of real gankers how to maintain a fair and balanced highsec.

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Respect.

But also naive, James was too smart for his own good, but he ignored the man’s heart.

He also did not equate for CCP greedness. Now here we are, an absolutist space where you get banned for playing the ■■■■■■■ game.

Aiko is not wrong, she understood what James did not and moved on. She has the smarts to not get involved into personal stuff and let the angry dysfunctional people do the dirty job. If anything, where James was smart with the biblical and stuff, Aiko was smart following Schopenhauer advice, “don’t hate, despise”.

James315 was a victim of his own smarts, what really happened we would know only when he decided to say himself. There’s no point talking about it anymore from nostalgia, the consequence of our action are imbued in the action, ignorance is not an excuse.

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I understand that you’re trying to build a ghost enemy, but you’re no prophet. Unless of course, you are merely stating what you will be doing. If not, you’re just building up your own little ghost enemy to hate and blame.

Malak hit it on the head.

This is the strawman being built for their ghost enemy. Any income is bad income if it’s for newer players. Syzygium hit it on the head also. We’re all being told the same information, which is that the new systems wont really be worth the time for established players.

Are you jealous that newer players will be able to mine ore that is being described as lower value than veldspar?

“The ability to curate the content available in Exordium also helps us balance risk with reward. For example, all the ore found within Exordium will be new “tier 0” variants of veldspar and scordite that can be balanced independently.”

Moving the goalpost so they can keep trying to build up the ghost enemy.

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Gankers will try to find a way around this…and this is the point where permbans come into play for all chars on every account that does this with a single account. Those people must be disciplined… This is the only language they will understand. And yes this is escalation…but if you start a fire you get burned…bottom line…

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Why would gankers ‘find a way around this’?

What is there to be gained by ganking totally new players? And how would they even do so in a PvP-free zone?

Gankers operate in high sec space, CONCORD space.

Gankers aren’t in low sec space or in null sec or in wormhole space or in Pochven. So why would they be in safespace?

If they did they would not lose their ship to CONCORD which means they’re simply yet another PvP fleet in that case and not suicide gankers.

So what train of thought makes you think this?

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Salt is to be gained…that’s enough reasoning for 90% of those people…

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Just like a few others in this community, youre going to assume the absolute worse case imaginary scenario before anything is even live yet.

Its been mentioned several times already that they will monitor that and a few other issues people have very carefully and adjust where needed.

Youre honestly pouring doom and gloom way too early.

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Just like a few others in this community, youre going to assume the absolute worse case imaginary scenario before anything is even live yet.

Its been mentioned several times already that they will monitor that and a few other issues people have very carefully and adjust where needed.

Youre honestly pouring doom and gloom way too early.

And as usual with all your posts, you just spitting out nonsense without one ounce of rational thought.

Youre just glooming just to gloom.

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First someone has to “pay” for that region without PVP and risk-free income that will also possibly be used by older players.

And of course the ganking will not happen in Exordium where it can’t happen and it will also not happen in Yulai if that is forbidden by the EULA neither anywhere else forbidden by the EULA, but then at that point in space where it is allowed.

I am just deducing this from what i know and what happens on a daily basis. A lot of empty ships are ganked just for the fun and the killmail.
Killmails of hull and pod and of course the following salt collection are enough for some.

But we will have to wait and see anyway. If there is any value to be had in Exordium, then also older players will start to do their industry there. If it is not worthwile for even a passive office day, then not i guess.
Same goes with the ganks once the new terms and conditions of the EULA are known.

I don’t know why there is so much uproar. Wait and see. It is however always good to know and prepare for new rules in advance. Profit and/or fun might await. Or tears, if you come unprepared. Just business as usual.

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No anchorables, so industry, albeit expensive in taxes will be done in a station, if any even allow it

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So it seems the stricter rules for Exordium were announced yesterday and there will not be any mining or mission running allowed for any character that is above 30 days old.

Guess i have to venture to Exordium anyway and report anyone older than 30 days with an active mining laser.

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I’ll probably be keeping an orca there boosting for new players for a while. Be sure to report me.

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I assume if in fleets for like eve rookies it would not be against the rules, especially since kshal was specifically mentioned in the blog

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