Awesome. I’ve tried to uncover this fact for a couple of years and by simply putting up two Raitarus and war deccing your corp you created a perfect valid proof. Indeed, brilliant.
Sir we are a reactionary service. We only war dec the war deccers.
We do not war dec people who are not already war deccing someone else.
So what? Small scale PVP in highsec is not taboo.
You wanna pretend like you’re affecting PIRAT or BF then go for it, I sort of get that. I try and steal their cores to stop them too, but you killing all war deccers when you even admitted that there does need to be the mechanic, is toxic and I hope just metaphorical.
Can you explain how the use of a valid ingame mechanic is “toxic”. The argument you put forward was that war decs are valid ingame mechanics.
No. Not really. If you cannot see the problem then I cannot convince you.
From what I can see, you don’t like how war deccing groups can jump from one alliance to the other and avoid the 14 days cool down - which I sort of agree with, even though it is a massive isk sink. CCP have not made the change you proposed a few times and you didn’t make CSM which would have given you gravitas to push for the change.
So, you have decided to carpet bomb highsec HQs which is just shitting on genuine small scale pvp in highsec.
Yes, I think it is toxic to throw 150+ members against 4-5 consistently. It’s punching down on an astronomical scale - something which you used to complain about and the very thing you are trying to stop. Under the guise of what? “saving mission runners and miners” I’m sorry, but NO. If you really wanted to save mission runners and miners, you would have a problem with gankers, who kill WILDLY more of the latter than any war deccers could ever do! But you don’t… because you have thrown your toys out of the pram and are trying to throw your remaining weight around as best you can.
Grats on Init members tho, you must REALLY need a win to punch down this hard.
You keep bringing up the CSM but seem to be very badly informed.
Not everyone will want help, the ones that will are usually the ones unable to fight back themselves. I don’t view defending those people as toxic. If you do, just don’t ask for help 
I supported this venture at first because I thought INIT was going to focus on the big deccing groups to really make an impact.
But if they are just taking any contracts including against small war deccers then that’s pathetic.
Classic nullblocs, they just can’t help choosing the easy fight and blobbing!
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HAHAHA Epic case in point.
Insidious (actually not insidious, but 1 guy from them) war decced BLAMBER (someone more than capable of defending themselves) so that BLAMBER WASN’T ABLE TO kill a miner’s group of athanors.
BUT NO, here is Dark Shines helping the little guy… OH WAIT! LMFAO!
kinda mixed feelings about this.
Helping someone defend against a enourmous groupe like BF fair enough. But this also does support this kind of cowardly recrutment a lot of high sec corps are running. “join us 100% war free and structures to use” i realy think people running recrutment like this deserve no help.
In many cases they then proced to lose their structure two 2 marauders but the corp has some 15 members. This feels like sabotage in their development as players to develop their own urgency to act.
Blobbing for me but not for thee?
Bully’s come in all shapes and sizes. A lot of people who get war decced are just casuals who want to have their own little slice of the pie.
War deccers will find people who are vulnerable and seek to take advantage of that, lets not kid ourselves.
Well, there’s always someone bigger.
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A lot of people who get war decced are just casuals who want to have their own little slice of the pie.
I know quite a couple of them living in Highsec: Potentially letal sick seniors, Dads with 2 or 3 kids and a job, mid agers with disorders, youngsters who can only afford one Omega, just to mention some examples. All of them trying to play this nice space video game to have a good time, not too few of them for a long time, and as good as they can. They’ve tanked their exhumers and barges, dont solo jump fully expanded into Uedama, dont haul LSI in shuttles, they re not aspirant botters and and they re atk or docked up as they were teached or learned it themselves. And of course, they do like R4 moon mining sometimes to build stuff from it. Sure, I am most probably not speaking about the majority of players living in Highsec, but even if they’ve got some corps and friends with less rl restrictions being able to operate the moon drills, their niche is quite hard to defend under the current game mechanics. Knowing the game as it is, the possiblity to anchor moon drills in .5 or putting up a Raitaru in Highsec makes no sense for people living in Highsec and its survival is just a matter of luck or dependent on the willingness to believe into the ‘offers’ of extortionists frequently popping up.
But this also does support this kind of cowardly recrutment a lot of high sec corps are running.
Honestly no rhetorical question: Do you know a corp living in Highsec which is able to defend against people living in low or null sec, and is still living in Highsec though?
I do agree with you, being dumb is no excuse, New Eden is not a theme park and people should still have the possibility to learn from having had a bad recruitmen tor whatever. But that’s not what makes alot of people in Highsec loose their structures under the current mechanics as far as I can see.
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But my case (and this is literally the first week!) you are the bad guy and will be the cause of this highsec miner loosing all his athanors.
There are currently 1 or perhaps 2 groups who “bully” as you say. You are misinformed and your perception of war deccers is that of a large 0.0 alliance, Ironically the main ones that actually DO get bullied by war deccers. Let’s look at 90% of the wars in the last 2 weeks.
- PIRAT/CORSAIR, yeah possibly the only actual people who fit your criteria.
- BF, yeah possibly although they mainly stay in the Jita area and camp the undock. Not a threat for most of EVE.
- SRP, only if you are VERY specifically in their corner of Minmatar space.
- Bully Brigade / Nukedd, nope, only if you have left the game.
- Wrecking Machine barely exist anymore
- Stacmon, only if you live in 3-4 systems around them.
If you wanna go against BF or PIRAT go for it! I often double dec people so that I can loot cores and steal from these attackers, which removes their profit. I like what you are suggesting, but a ‘bull in a china shop’ is not the way to do it and I bet you are causing more damage long term.
You clearly have never lived in highsec.
Hell, what a twisted logic. You’re really the poor, representative guy in Highsec whose niche is under pressure. And this is literally not the first week.
Post was made on the 8th Feb, 1 week and 1 day - my bad.
Perhaps you don’t understand the evidence I have given.
Looking at what you’ve said and what you’ve said with which alt I think it’s time for a little present:
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When this is week two of the thread and @Ras_Al-Gul belongs to the first week where is the second little guy from hisec for this week which feels forced to kill all Athanors of a hisec miner to proof that defending war decced hiseccers is evil, disables small scale pvp and does long term damage? I am also in this game for the fiction and stories, come on. That can’t be it already, Alts are free.
Wait, I ll ask in corp.
What are you guys talking about?
A member of my corp called Angry James posted about saving a station in Inone. Our whole thing is that we are small scale pvp, defending against bigger numbers or stealing cores etc. There is no fiction there. Go and Check. Even the attackers posted on this thread.
Or you talking about me double deccing Skye (the miner’s athanors) so that I can steal cores?
Perhaps instead of making this thread about my corp, you could address the obvious issues.
i was the ceo for about a year of a wardecing ally and befor that i spend about 3 years in said alliance. Ecluded BF 95% of structures died to something like that amounts 5 dudes with some battleships. i am not saying not many are losing them i am saying loses are not amounted to got blobed by a huge corp it is litterly people like bully brigade going soloshotting structers in 1 man holding corps. And they cant defend them even if they wanted to cause if i go and recrute with you will never be asked to do anything for the corp well that basicly is that.
I can imagen how ccp invisoned wars to work like corp a has a nice moon in a system that corp b wants so they wont give it on their free will so the war is so to say judicative system of conflict resolution. And that is my gripe with this it takes away peoples urgency to stand up for themself they are beeing babied basicly by init.
HS structures are a corp asset so they should be defended as such i dont know realy what to say if someone place one on his own without a thought in the world how to keep it upright i guess this on is on the guy placing the structure. All grown up capable people allowed their own choices good or bad.
Existing disbalances had already been addressed by CCP, remember siege green: https://www.adam4eve.eu/stats_structures.php
And they cant defend them even if they wanted to cause if i go and recrute with you will never be asked to do anything for the corp well that basicly is that.
Anecdotal evidence, that’s fine, I have plenty of it too. And you’re right for many cases, but I do know other cases aswell.