Ship balancing proposals

They won’t rocket that high on the 24th it will take a bit longer for the market to equalise sober ppl are already expecting the hike. it will spike at the soonest 5 days after but if ccp is more competent than i think they are with this it could take a month.

Ccp seems to think it won’t be to bad but if sisi mining rates are actually representative we are in for a world of hurt

Also try getting creative with the panther there is a particular niche it fills way to well and surprises many unsuspecting victims

Oh Lugh dear,
you know I don’t fly minmatar. What do you think about the other ship proposals? Except for them matar ships where I was me, being sarcastic.

god that would be so much easier if they were different threads or at least organized.

the dics are fine the only sad one is the gal dic. heretic and flycatcher are probably the two best fit for direct combat and the minm one will always do better at ninja bubbles

the nighthawk yes needs the damage lock removed does not need pg (the tank is already godly) and it does not need any extra range. all the T1 command BC got better range than the T2 and it has done great to separate them.

Manticore is fine it should deal less dps than the amarr and minm because it gets utility. it does not need CPU it should be hard to fit T2 torps.

tengue after the changes I have found to be very useful but I use it in more support roles

there does not need to be smaller T2 launchers for each class. guns and missiles are different this is a good thing.

cov ops frigs are fine

bombers should struggle to fit both bombs and torps this forces a choice in how you want to use them.

phobos is ■■■■■■■ awesome

the rook does not need any more cap its burst tank is already crazy

the moa is the only viable heavy weight t1 brawler that uses a shield. there are already ranged rail ships at the cruiser size.

rails get range rather than damage while I could see a small buff here 10% across the board is to much

the rest I either missed or didn’t feel were worth talking about (like the AFs they are fucked and this wont help)

I didn’t say they weren’t but do you need a rocket damage bonus on a Buzzard that should not decloak anyways?

So it is a good thing that your gun boat just switches to smaller blasters or railguns to fit a tank, while Caldari’s only option would be to downgrade the tank in order to fit heavy launchers?
You know, the ones that need 7805705256895678926707 application mods to do damage, oh and ballistic controls.

And once again the matar get to make cake and eat it. I say, NO!
I want a t2 damage control and a ballistic control to bash them saber riders brains in.

Oh excuse me, why do I find 47km for a 500 million boat a “tad” short range for a long range weapon system.

Yes, at collapsing wormholes but not at pinning sooper-doopers.

Like which one?

no there are better hics for that this one however is the best for small and med sized gangs.

it’s over 62km for the heavies

you may need to swap your tank over to more SE and fewer resists. guns normally take more pg and most tanks take pg. missiles take CPU. so yes this difference is fine rather than downgrading the launcher or tank you can downgrade or remove the BCU.

no but that’s a flavor bonus not a practical one. if ccp removed it they would not add another useful one

the eagle is probably the best

Lugh, I know what the Eagle does but the Eagle is not a t1 boat. And 65-80km-ish should not be too much to ask. (I do love my Eagle but I do not like the current price tag)

Just for reference kids, the base price for HACs is 40m isk not 400 billion.

I said in the cruiser size. and the moa should not just become the poor mans eagle. the moa can still snipe extremely well you just need to give up more tank.

I missed the BLOPS conversation at the beginning :frowning:

Anyways: I know it’s an old idea from the old forum, but why isn’t the Nestor a BLOPS again?
I think it would fit the SOE style, and that remote rep bonus is mostly a joke because it only gives double range.
Also, while a BLOPS for 2x level 3 battleship skill (1 week of training) seems OP, the lack of jump related skills make it extremely inefficient compared to the other ships at the beginning. Let it keep the ship maintenance bay and the exploration bonuses, and replace the remote rep with the usual BLOPS role bonuses, and add a “no speed reduction while cloaked” to the list. This will make it faster than the other ships, but only until they get to BLOPS level 4 or even 3 if you have some fancy cloak.

i’m going to ignore your noob observation of its rep bonus and instead direct you to look at the guardians

it tanks to well and even with the nerf to combat refitting its sma would be to powerful.

I only tried Nestor repping a few times in L4 missions with a few people, but the Nestor still has about half the range an Exequoror or Augoror have, despite being a larger ship. The Orca has longer range while being a shield logi.

Dior, keep in mind that the blend- erm Nestor was not supposed to be a full grown logi boat. Fitting them remote reps is only one of some options you have with this ship.

It is not really a good mission boat but 2 of them can have a really good rr setup. The bonuses make a little more sense in unknown space when you hack a can that may result in a wave of very angry sleepers looking at you funny.
On a Nestor you can have a fax machine repping you while a covert ops or an Astero would have been vaporized before the fax even gets a lock.

Only few capsuleers may have noticed that the Nestor is a really agile boat.

To add to what elitatwo was saying you also need to remember the environment the blops work in. You land at most 10km from the rest of your fleet. It’s not the range that is an issue it’s how many large rr it can fit and how long it can run them. All the while having respectable tank and dps

If memory serves me right, you can have a 3x3 setup running all day. That is at least two Nestory with 3x remote armor reps and 3x large cap x-fer.

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