Ship for L4 Angel missions?

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Returning player here. I used to run L4 missions against Angel Cartel ships in a Machariel. But with one low slot removed and some of the other changes (low CPU -> no cloak -> no bling fit) I am looking for alternatives.

[Vargur, Vargur T2/Fct]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Tracking Computer II

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
Auto Targeting System II
Small Tractor Beam II
Bastion Module I
Improved ‘Guise’ Cloaking Device II

Large Projectile Ambit Extension II
Large Projectile Ambit Extension II

Berserker II x2
Warrior II x5

Barrage L x4977

This has pitiful DPS (700, according to Pyfa), even compared to the Mach now (which I get to about 800 with T2). Especially considering the fight happening in Falloff.

I could replace the rigs, but I am not sure that would be a great boost. What am I doing wrong?

I do not like to use a missile boat. So I am searching for the best L4 gun setup against Angel ships. Assume my skills to be maxed.

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Why is 700 DPS pitiful? I run L4s in Curse with a 700 DPS Dominix and make 100M/hour with good missions thanks to tags and LP. I don’t see your problem.

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Consider a Barghest.

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Ok, then let us call it a request for optimization proposals. :slight_smile:

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No missile boats and certainly I do not want to lower my DPS.

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The numbers the screenshots show are effective damage and tank versus Angel Cartel.

And missiles are two times faster on the Barghest. So that ship feeld entirely different from any other missile battleship.

But if you have no required skills then the Vargur is fine but a bit expensive.

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I been trying a leshak mostly cuz I love triglavian ships but it hasn’t done bad either.
The disintegrator ammo has a large exp element and thermal in general is an ok type for most npcs also its a pure optimal range weapon

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Good points, both, on eDPS and missile speed bonus. Since I have all the required missile skills at 5 I might give it a go.

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I would explain that differently: The disintegrator ammo has an equally effective damage versus all NPC factions.

But the Leshak is expensive (Several billion ISKs incl. the skill books)

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It’s mostly the books yes that cost alot the ship is under 500 mil per hull the t2 weapon is like 150 but the books are/were alot.I started very early so I fly mine with bs v and t2 weapon now

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I have not looked at Triglavian ships, yet. Will there not be an issue with killing swarms of smaller ships? I know, I could skip those missions. But in the end blitzing only a handful of missions all the time is too repetitive for me, no matter the efficiency (in that regard).

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I use drones for frigates or a turret cycle finishes them until they get to 20km or less for anything bigger that gets close I got a grappler and mwd for mobility to get to gates/get in range etc

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because of elitists who put pure paper dps above actual functionality

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Vargur works fabulously. But if you haven’t already bought it, look into the T1 or Navy battleship variants, they will also serve you well.

I’d also recommend against using so many modules and rigs that effect your firing range. You’re hitting some pretty nasty diminishing returns on that so you might want to consider changing the rigs out to something else. Maybe something to do with tank, capacitor, or warp speed?

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True on the rigs. I will replace them with capacitor rigs. However, I notice that the Mach is still the better L4 mission boat against Angel (more damage, higher base and warp speed). If it only had some more CPU…

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Well i got a cheap’esh typhoon fit that uses cruise missiles and sentry drones that does about 800-900 dps. or 1k with a bit of bling without too much over the top (two faction damage mods)

Just mail me ingame and then i can link you the fit ^^

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That vargur fit is old, probably before they added falloff to tracking computers old.

This one gets 1023 gun dps which can be increased via implants and new damage boosters. Drops to 963 with all t2 gyros, but if you are going to buy a vargur what’s a few 100m for some faction gryos.

I’d go with something more like this.
[Vargur, Varg copy 2]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Bastion Module I

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Warrior II x5
Garde II x2

all that said I’d still rather fly a mach. Mach is going to do even more dps, will be even faster, and has a much nicer drone bay. Personally I do an armor fit with mwd + mjd, but looks like shield fits should work too now that it has an extra midslot. Pretty easy to fit with a co-processor or CPU rig if you really need the extra cpu.

I mean you can do 100m/hr if not more in highsec with double the dps, nothing wrong with a domi there’s just more effective options out there.

I go off of my own experience and posts that have fits and mission times, and in general the high dps fits do the missions faster.

Of course there are some issues that pop up there, like the 2k dps vindicator isn’t a great mission ship because it has range issues and won’t be constantly applying high damage, and the 1700 dps rattlesnake is fun to look at in eft and actually has good range but is just too slow, it’s going to lose to the mach on a lot of missions due to warp speed.

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Thanks for the fit and I take your point about Tracking Computers. But the pirate Shield Booster as well as the faction gyros might raise some attention for gankers. I would have to see if I can fit a cloak as well.

Yes, CPU is the issue with the Mach now. I will look into giving up some range or some cap for CPU. A fully blinged Mach is a thing of beauty, but it needs a cloak. :slight_smile:

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Grrrrmbl! Why has a Large Processing Overclocking Unit I more calibration costs than a Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I? Error in the dev’s Excel?

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Is the tempest no good for level 4 missions?