Ships for running DED sites across the cluster?

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Heya everyone. I’m currently based out of a wormhole with a nullsec static, and my hopes is to use the wormhole and prode around nullsec for lucrative sites. The best would be able to run up to the 10/10 sites.

I’m still unsure about the ships to use. In terms of numbers, I feel like a 1000 DPS dealt and tanked would be a safe bet to not die in the sites, all the while having some neut resistance. Also, I’ll probably carry refits for the travel fit of the cruisers, and the resistance modules.
Because of my staging, it would need to be able to move around nullsec unseen, which leave two options :

  • T3C cruisers. I have the skills for the Tengu and the Loki, and I feel the latter fits the bill better because of its resists and isn’t kinetic locked.
  • Black Ops. The jump drive opens a lot of potential, but they’re not the most sturdy ships from what I hear. The Sin and the Widow would be the best, however the first one seems difficult to reach target numbers. On the plus side and outside of any numbers, the idea of a battleship that can jump around is fkn badass.

As for fits, I’ve tinkered a few of them and tested out the Lokis against Sleepers.
[Loki, PVE HML 10/10]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Shield Hardener
Pith X-Type Thermal Shield Hardener
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Expanded Probe Launcher II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II /OFFLINE

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Defense Node
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter
Loki Core - Immobility Drivers

Hammerhead II x4

Zainou ‘Gypsy’ CPU Management EE-603

HML have the benefit of about 60km of range while tanking 1000 DPS and having cap to spare. But, you’re stuck with 700 DPS. Since a few of the 10/10 is a structure bash that regenerates HP, it might make the fit unusable.

[Loki, PVE HAM 10/10]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Shield Hardener
Pith X-Type Thermal Shield Hardener
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Expanded Probe Launcher II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II /OFFLINE

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Defense Node
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter
Loki Core - Dissolution Sequencer

Acolyte II x5

Zainou ‘Gypsy’ CPU Management EE-602

This one gets 936 DPS while keeping the same tank and acceptable cap, but you can only shoot to 30km with Rage missiles. There’s always the option of switching to Javelins though, but that means a measly 579 DPS.

Now for the bonker idea :

[Sin, 10/10 PVE]

Reactive Armor Hardener
Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Centus X-Type Explosive Armor Hardener
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Wasp II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warden II x5
This one is more problematic. First of all, I love the Domi hull, hence why I’m trying to make a Sin work. Second, it’s about an extra billion ISK compared to the above Loki fits.
Third, the DPS and tank varies depending the factions I’d be against, going from 1115 DPS with Antimatter and Ogres, to as low as 767 with Spike and Wardens.

There’s also the weaknesses of MJDing away from heavies to mitigate the room damage, so they’d get shot without being able to avoid damage. And the fact that rails are damage locked to Kin/therm. The tank at worst is 577ehp/s against angel rats, and at best 1165ehp/s against Guristas. Capacitor lasts 3min, but you’d normally be outside of the range after a jump.

[Widow, PVE 10/10 cruise]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Micro Jump Drive
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Thermal Shield Hardener
Pith X-Type EM Shield Hardener
Domination Target Painter
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Thukker Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Dread Guristas Cloaking Device

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II

Hornet II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

[Widow, PVE 10/10 torps]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Micro Jump Drive
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Thermal Shield Hardener
Pith X-Type EM Shield Hardener
Domination Target Painter
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Dread Guristas Cloaking Device

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II

Hornet II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Zainou ‘Gypsy’ CPU Management EE-602

And the two Widow fits that would work better than the Sin, but look less cool doing it. Cruises have all the range I’d ever need, and get 948 DPS with them. Torps goes to a whopping 1450DPS with Rage, but only at 36km. They can also do 840 DPS to 97km with Range script loaded.

Sorry, this got long. Would love to get some opinions on the fits, and if you’d have new ideas about the concept or maybe things to change.
o7

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I just spent a hair over 1b to set up my loki for null exploring, not a noob, been doing exploration for years, i just wanted to do some ded sites, maye some higher level belt rats and the like.
The first anom i warped into looked tame enough, i was blapped. Swarmed, pointed, vaporized.
Left my Lokis tattered remnants 56 jumps from home.
Id recommend going … Larger.

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I’ve managed to run some sites so far, notably an Angel 7/10. Using the HAM fit I linked above, I did manage to complete it in one go, but I saw the flaws of the fit :

  • The range gets tough, although with Wake Limiter afterburner you can get easily in range. But, since high DED sites are often structure bashes that stop repairing after you fly far enough, it makes things like 8/10 impossible.
  • The tank is flimsy, not enough HP. Against the DED overseer, I often dipped in low shields. Against a room with more enemies and ewar, it’s a death sentence.
  • Finally, HAMs chew through ammo. Something like 4-5k missiles per site. At least T2 missiles are cheap…

So yeah, if I do want to run escalations/harder sites, looks like a Black Ops is the way. I tinkered with the Widow and added some implants, it seems to be more doable. It’s expensive, yeah, but it’ll be fun if it works.

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