People want to test, how about creating a Tranquility “holodeck” feature that allow people to test on the server. But, in order to use it, it costs EveMarks. This will allow you to test ANYTHING you want with the right amount of EveMarks. You can also test as a corp for a certain amount that come from the corp wallet. Cost being the number of players entering and what you want to test. Let SiSi be for testing new features only. @CCP_Swift Thoughts?
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That is a feature request with heavy works needed for them to do, I don’t think they are going to do this as it also don’t solve any issues here, and a cost of EverMark is hard to measures. Not a good idea.
You may ask ISD or GM to let them get informations about gameplay mechanics for you, which is free anyways.
If gives the people to test whatever they want, but still at a cost. Doesn’t have to be EveMarks, but was a suggestion. You base what you are testing with what is in trenquility, and not with “new” features. They can keep Sis for testing new features only as well.
I’ve been around for a while to know what the mechanics are. People are whining about losing Sisi. This is a potential solution. Yes, heavy work would be required so if it did happen, i wouldn’t expect it tomorrow.
Well, still need to test things
And they can already do that, the cost is ISK
And you will, you’ll be able to test the things CCP actually wants tested instead of just being given free reign to play with any toys you like
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So, what happens to those of us who regularly utilize SiSi to train newbros for group PvP? We can’t train on TQ because they’re not yet skilled enough to reliably practice without losing ships, and players like to attack the groups of inexperienced players for easy profit. This gets extraordinarily expensive very very fast.
We’ve been making do in the time SiSi was down under the assumption that it would be coming back, but it’s not sustainable long term.
You can train on TQ. You just don’t want to. Instead, learn how to learn efficiently. Accept that ship loss is part of the game, and it’s part of the learning process.
For example, put rookies in frigates. They are cheap, easy to teach with out in some random bookmark in system, quick to repeatedly practice call outs like “align”, “approach”, “warp”, etc.
It’s way cheaper and more accessible than your rookies losing battleships like Rohks, TFIs, and Armageddons. Or HACs like Ishtars.
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Hmmm this is getting honestly ridiculous. You need to explain yourselves better, because from my perspective this is being done to appease a very small minority of people who have access to Lancers.
What good could this possibly bring to majority of players? Either call the problem for what it is, whether that be lack of funds, staffing, upcoming changes, but do not try to spin this as a good.
This action, long term, will consolidate power to small minority of individuals or groups who already operate in relative impunity on the main server, and creates an insurmountable barrier of entry to the majority of people who havent develop the connections or skills to stand on a level footing. The weak get weaker, never develop, the strong get stronger and gatekeep all proprietary knowledge. Not to mention, this has already been done before with CCP Seagull and it resulted in no one showing up for mass tests. So that cannot possibly be the reason for the change. This stinks of favoritism or insider mingling.
Nice imagination, but not how reality works.
You’re the one sounding ridiculous somehow thinking “Being unable to practice Lancers on Sisi” therefore means “the weak get weaker, never develop, the strong get stronger and gatekeep all proprietary knowledge”.
This is hyperbolic verbal diarrhea.
What is good for players is: actually learning how to learn efficiently on TQ with limited resources. That is an important skill that creates improved pilots.
Sisi been offline since Lancers release. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see a relationship between those two things, since they literally happened at the same time.
For your purposes it might be ridiculous, as you are probably spinning your lancer in the background waiting for another jf ping, while praying they never turn the test server back on. I get it though, you want an easy game, full of morons who you can shoot like fish in a barrel. Good for you.
For everyone else though, there is the practical reality that we arent you and we probably never will be so long as we lack the tools and resources to stress test our ideas before implementation onto the main server where it all matters.
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If you are right and it’s tied to Lancers, then it puts those Lancers that do exist into actual risk of harm. Those people cannot properly test out the Lancers except in the actual field, where they can be destroyed. The emergent gameplay happens on TQ, where it should happen, where all the materials it took to build them gets destroyed, meaning those who harvest resources get more money from the loss of supply. Destruction on TQ helps out everyone, except for the guy who lost the ship.
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The people who have the means to use lancers, already do not need sisi for anything, they crossed the finish line long ago, they require only targets.
Their biggest pool of targets is of course returning players who haven’t any f’in clue what a lancer is. It would take about 20 minutes on sisi for them to figure that out and maybe a bit longer to figure out what they need to do to avoid them, putting it within the best interest of those already operating under an umbrella of protection that makes sisi redundant, punishing returning players or newer players that want to start using capital assets.
You can’t say where emergent gameplay comes from because its only been 3 months without a test server, and nothing emergent has come out of the past 3 months, actually more stagnate than it ever has been save for jf dying in record numbers and a literal trillion dollar “we’re bored” dread welp.
It’s pretty easy to “test” out being hit by Lancers…go to Tama in a rookie ship and either watch the gate or jump through when a DST does to see what happens. I haven’t been hit by a lance, yet I know how they work because I’ve watched others fall prey. It could even take the same amount of time or less than it would on SiSi. I’ve also seen those Lancers run away when someone who can deal with them does come through. A few have even DIED!
You are just too afraid of loss or risk adverse to adapt to a lack of a test server.
JFs dying IS emergent gameplay. They failed to take basic precautions and got caught, and now making JFs (and Lancers) is much more profitable.
You do it on TQ like you were meant to from the start
Losing ships is part of the learning process, it makes people actually think about it rather than just trying to yolo because there is no loss involved
Right let me just dust off my batphone to deal with entrenched lowsec community camping every single gate to hisec. What a novel solution. thank you for that. And yes im glad we agree the only emergent gameplay with sisi gone is exploding jf. Look how the game has flourished lol. Everyone just taking it on the chin and continuing business as usual, im sure that trend will be sustained over a long period
I will enjoy mining moons yes. Also, Tama (or other popular entry points) are not every single gate to hisec. Hundreds of these gates aren’t being camped. If your concern is your JF…use a SCOUT! Use insta warps and use stations next to gates. If you can actually reliably get your JF jumped like people claim it to be…you can set a trap and get the Lancer.
It’s a small world monopolized by a very few. Good for them, they benefit a lot from sisi being down is the only point. While ganking jf is great and all I like to imagine this brand new ship in the game has other uses outside the tiny world of lowsec transportation monopoly. People who arent in this sphere might be testing what those uses are, right now, were it not for sisi being offline. And then, what ever stupid reason they found for it, go and use it on the main server. Totally something that would not have happened otherwise
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Any newbro ive trained, i never used sisi. Hell 12 yrs playing eve ive only logged on just to help with mass tests a few times.
Most who would use it outside of low sec have all the entirety of their own space to test such things, AND have the means to make it. The only people shut out of playing with Lancers are those who live in High sec…which what do you know, can’t be used there anyways.