But if you’re going to ‘pump out skill cows’, what good is it to pay to move a skill-injected character to an Omega account which I assume already has another character using the active skill queue?
Right now it feels like you’re spending money to do random skill-related things not because it’s saving you money, not because it’s letting you train faster or is earning you ISK, but just because it is possible.
Why spend that money doing things inefficiently to do things that are about efficiency?
I don’t understand the goal.
Maybe if you could explain it people could help you?
I’m sure I read somewhere that even with that…there is an upper limit of 20m SP, as that is effectively ALL the skills an alpha can train for. So you literally cannot go higher.
For me it’s connections, meaningful relationships with other people. Time is pointless if you don’t use it well (don’t make any friends/acquaintances), and ISK is even more pointless. It’s a fake currency that can’t be converted to real life value. It just has an entertainment value.
I never got on that train. Since it’s been introduced I’ve made way more ISK trading than I ever would have made butchering my characters’ skills. I get it, for some guys it will make a difference – it helps bringing subcription cost down a little, but those who don’t need that, don’t really care that much.
Like I said on one of the countless number of threads the OP has made on this topic – value is dependent on demand and supply. If everybody started skill farming themselves and their alts (like the OP is proposing), the LSI value will go down, instead of up, and you will make much much less than 200m per injector. Some can’t see the forest for the trees here.
The only thing that needs to happen for your entire EVE experience to go to ■■■■ is people just have to not like having you around.
You better hold on to your precious “connections” because it’s all you have really.
Indeed the most important commodity is these damn vials. This game attracts thinkers and I figured out that dealing in SP is how you get the most out of the game especially if you like playing the game by yourself; If you control the Spice (get it?) you gain an advantage because this game is always a numbers game nothing else.
But the markets are not real, there is no real scarcity and it’s not the players that run the markets but CCP/FC. Eventually this game is so extremely pay to win every centimeter of EVE is about having enough SP, ISK or time and Large Skill Injectors bundle all of that together neatly packaged by CCP/FC. That is why they seed Skill Extractors at least I haven’t come across a blueprint for players to make their own, did you?
The “countless threads the OP made” was me using the forums as a personal vlog to share my experiences and have other people learn from it or see it as entertainment. Many people have criticised me over this but there are no rules to how you play this game and this works for my style of play:
Never train your character passed 50M SP because of hugely diminishing returns after 50M SP. Your “main” becomes who you are in this game and it is also something that they can control.
Once you are satisfied with your character stop the queue or use it to extract the 500k Skill Points every week. Most people stack their SP on to their main and this is like already said extremely wasteful.
Don’t rely on ingame iskmaking to pay your subscriptions with it. CCP/FC (from now on just Fenris) has perfected their businessmodel for you to sink in a lot of time & effort for not wanting to give them dollars to be Omega in the game. Again if you are spending hours and hours a day grinding you are lying to yourself that you are having fun, you are addicted
Nobody in EVE is a friend of you. These people in your corporation, alliance, fleet or on the forums are not your friends. They wanted you in their game because of what it gives them which is identity & purpose. Your friendly neighborhood Guidance Councellor is a good example of that.
Use dollars if this game is your hobby. You are probably 30 years and older male with a steady income so spending 500 dollars on your hobby a month is perfectly okay. If in your alliance or corp or in your household you have to keep that a secret then see number 4.
Be honest with yourself. This game is repetitive and never ends by design but the average maximum runtime is around 4 to 5 years. If you get bored with EVE, that is normal. Stick around for the community if you made some friends maybe but don’t forget they don’t know the real you, they just know your character’s name.
Use AI as much as possible. All the knowledge of this game on how to do things sits on the internet for AI to deliver that info to you in a couple of seconds. Correct if here and there that info is outdated but you will quickly go passed being a dependent newbie to a “veteran”.
Make as many alts as you want. This game has ruthless politics and it is always a good idea to have what you want to do in the game be spread out over some alts. They’re free, easy to make and if you pump SP in them they all represent you.
I hope this helps someone out there. Have a nice day,
Meaningful relationships take time and then time is needed to be online with those friends and play the game or any other activity. Time is a constant.
It isn’t since I have to use it to buy stuff in the game.
Would be like saying ‘currency is pointless’.
Entertainment isn’t pointless. It is a multi-billion-dollar industry.
I agree with that. A.I has saved me countless hours digging up useful info on EVE out of the overbloated web. I found few outdated pieces of info compared to the amount of help I gotten out of it.
That said, A.I is still evil
Oh noes. No more using of the Daily Alpha Injectors for you. What about using a Skill Extractor on a 6.1 M SP char? Nope. Will the regular skill injectors work? Yes. So you can fill out the entire roster of alpha skills possible to train.
Now now, @No_queue_4U you got a good philosophical question.
There is no right way to play EVE.
You may or may not have friends in-game. But maybe the most important thing is that you get a chance to experience the best and worst of human society from the safety of your own home.
And that alone keeps us here, playing and experiencing New Eden, and still discussing what the right way to enjoy the game is (or whether there even is one).
The facts make a strong case for what is most valuable in the game:
SP is still being traded, so it counts.
People trade SP, so they are important too.
How you make connections with these people defines how your wallet and/or experience will develop.
It’s also worth mentioning that Project Discovery’s data analysis has helped make a difference in the scientific community for many years.
If you donated to PLEX for GOOD events, you helped make a difference in real life, too. Or even if you bought PLEX on the Jita market that was later donated by someone else, you indirectly helped too! (Even if you didn’t know it.)
Fanfests are self-explanatory too…
It doesn’t matter if you play to create alts for skill trading or if you’re just mining on an Alpha account with friends to chill.
You make enough of a difference to keep Fenris engaged in creating this EVE experience. Whether it’s good or bad, it is just a matter of perspective.
Yet we’re still undocking and discussing here, right?
Thats not what that is saying.. its saying you cannot TRAIN past 5 mil sp.. after 5 mil sp you can use the daily injectors or regular injectors.. but you cannot passively skill train past 5 mil sp. you can also use an extractor on a char with 6 mil sp as you can only extract down to 5.5 mil.
I tried extracting skillpoints from the alpha char and every skill from that little extractor window has a lock icon in front of it. So you can activate the extractor but it doesn’t extract no sp. So skillfarming into skill injectors is not possible on alpha requires Omega.
Omega-Only Skills: While in an Alpha clone state, characters can only extract skill points that require an Omega subscription.
Alpha Skillsets Protected: You cannot extract skills that are part of the free Alpha skillset. This prevents players from training free Alpha skills and turning them into profit via skill farming.
And meaningful relationships are meaningful pretty much from the beginning. I don’t need to spend a month talking to someone to know whether being with him is meaningful.
You can’t buy happiness with things or money or ISK. It’s just stuff. Just as pointless on its own.
All kinds of pointless crap, even nonexistent crap, can be sold off to gullible stupid people.
Depends what you mean by meaningful. There are lots of different relationships, I had Friendships in mind, what kind of relationship are you referring to?
It takes me quite a bit of time to call someone a friend. It takes time to fulfill the Friendship requirements to be called a friend.
Never expected to buy happiness but I can buy ships and other items with ISK.
What does that have to do with the entertainment industry? Do you mean that all the games, movies, theatrical plays, tv series… it’s all crap and they’re selling all that crap to consumers like you and me, the “gullible stupid people”?
360 billion ISK converts to roughly $2,000 at current PLEX rates (80K PLEX = $2K, trading at 4.5M ISK each).
So: 18 years of continuous play = $2,000. That’s $111 per year. Nine dollars a month.
When I saw that char sale and ran the numbers I was shocked how hard the first 18 years theory hits. It is also something we old veterans have over these young people which is wisdom. Like the guy who wasted 18 years of his life in this game should have to admit (but he probably won’t) :
I was foolish to waste my good years on this stupid game
and you should never and I do mean never waste more than 5 years tops on anyone (or anything) if you don’t absolutely love this person and feel like you want to start a family with her/him. This guy if he went 18 years organically, which we don’t know he could have bought the char himself, could have been you or maybe is you.
I recently saw Digger and it shows you that we all miss Tom Cruise & John Goodman from 18 years ago because now they are old and boring af
By meaningful relationships I usually mean friendship and romantic attachments, but some professional relationships can also be meaningful, without ever becoming anything more significant.
For me, it takes very little time to know how I feel about someone and whether I can be friends or more with them. If I had to give a time frame, maybe an hour or so. I can tell within an hour. I size people up pretty fast and understand whether there’s potential between us. Of course, you do need to invest time into a friendship, but that’s a different process than what I was talking about in this context. It doesn’t take me long to call someone a ‘friend’, no.
Happiness and meaningfulness are somewhat related. Not saying a person can’t derive delight in buying things. They can, but it’s transient. At the end of the day things don’t go far to give one’s life a sense of pleasure or meaning. Thus they are quite pointless when all is said and done.
What I specifically meant to say with my reply to you, was that it’s not an argument what you said. Just because something is a multibillion dollar industry and just because something has buyers, doesn’t mean it is useful/meaningful/has a point at all. People are gullible and do buy into all kinds of nonsense.
But in a way I would go as far as your quote. I never said I didn’t do pointless and stupid things in life. I do, unfortunately. I’m not 100% effective with my use of time.
Playing EVE is pretty much a waste of my time and skills. There are dozens of other things available to me that I could be doing and it would be a time better spent, and more meaningfully spent. For example, I could be out flying, having sex, spending time with a loved one, reading a book, painting a picture, planting trees, writing a novel, etc. All of that beats EVE and significantly so. – I do do all of those things, but I also play EVE, which consequently takes away from all of those more meaningful activities. While EVE does have its entertainment value --its only value for me-- I can’t say I think highly of spending my time on playing video games. It is what it is, I’m not perfect. I waste some of the time given to me.
SP Farming originally was profitable just in itself as a new meta way to earn isk, once it calmed down and profits dropped there were more niche ways to provide income and CCP/FC certainly created wealth for themselves in how you must pay them throughout the SP farming process directly in order to obtain those profits. Be that in extractor buying or another avenue they will ensure they get their pound of flesh so to speak.
I think its perfectly normal to make your isk elsewhere in game than SP farming and many often do. Ive found it a great way to wind up different accounts for different purposes that are generally low skilled characters ( between 10- 25 mil SP ) that are built as a one or two skill set specific characters. Often you can create quite specific builds cheaply and then if they are active they can just be SP farmed to create a cheaper narrative.
For me I enjoy the thought process of maneuvering through Eve as early on I realized that many peoples ultimate aim in the game was denial of service, be that through camping, war decs, piracy, interdictions, etc and forcing you to log off the game. So I created an idea and plans to ensure that my gameplay would not be stopped and my “fun” stopped. It involved a web of availability of gameplay areas and designs to ensure that I can simply shift from one area to another very quickly and efficiently.
SP farming simply allows me to do it cheaply yet I still ultimately build accounts and characters SP levels building them into useful and well rounded characters capable of many things.
For me this was my “fun” the planning and executing of such plans and then creating profit for myself as it goes. Years ago I commented on the “traveling salesman” thread as I was trying to create a pathway through agents using Chribbas 3rd party services that used to be available, to maximize what missions I could pull from multiple agents. This math and efficiency problem kept me busy for months to a year or more while creating a method to use it to create profit for myself for my time in Eve. And now I can jump to it again and again and replicate it en masse if I want to when the investing atmosphere was worth it to do.
So yeah I love problem solving using CCP/FCs basic tools. But always SP, and the ability to “do” things in game with them undercuts it for me.
The main thing I agree with is that time spent on a game you call stupid sounds like time wasted. Generally I play games to have fun, and quit games I no longer enjoy.
So, why are you here if you think this is a stupid game?
I think the most valuable commodity in EVE is the players. Where would it be without the players? Sure I cannot convert a player into ISK, unless you are talking about recruiting them to work in your corporation.
I disagree with Macgybo. I purchase omega here and there, off and on, I only buy Plex with ISK ( never cash ) because I find it is more the opposite direction. Most instore items ( with the exception to omega ) can be bought in the market for ISK cheaper than buying it with Plex. If you bought your omega, using Plex, you paid cash for… WTF were you thinking?
@MacGybo
If nobody wants to do PI - I just checked on mine today - mining, production, etc., then who makes the stuff you blow up? Grind is inherent to the game, it is baked into the core. Tell you what; no one do any grind for one month and see what happens. Materials to build will jump through the roof and you will be doing PVP in a free corvette. If you don’t like to grind, then you should join a non-grinding PVP death match game instead.
I know your video is meant to tell people not to focus on grind, but you have it 100% wrong.
