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[Ramona_McCandless]

@Lucas_Kell

No I’m not, you stated that alphas are designed to remove material from the game, I’m asking for evidence and providing evidence that they are not. It’s not my fault if you hold positions that immediately fall apart under scrutiny.

Yes, you are.

Your position here leads to the inveitble comparision to how much an Alpha actually can earn in bounties compared to an Omega in anything.

Youre either being disingenous for some reason or are attempting to deflect the point that Alphas cannot make as much as they are worth to destroy into a pointless debate over the definition of value.

If you think they are fine as they are, why argue?

If you think they should be removed, there is agreement, so why argue?

If you think there’s a case for increasing thier ability to create wealth, what is it? Because you havent brought forward one.

Do you have a reason to debate this, or is it just for fun?

[Wadiest_Yong]

@Ramona_McCandless

Do you have a reason to debate this, or is it just for fun?

he won’t tell you, it would spoil his fun

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Lucas_Kell

What I’m saying is that I;ve seen no evidence to show that alphas are designed to remove material from the game and the activities they can take part in seem counter to that and so I require you to provide evidence.

Then youve never stopped for five seconds to think about it.

@Lucas_Kell

Do we have a reason to post at all on the forums? It’s something to do while trapped indoors during the current zombie apocalypse.

So trolling for fun then. Im done here.

[Daichi_Yamato]

Taxing alphas for ratting is something that could be done. But we shouldn’t open up more industry. Even if it’s taxed, as long as it’s profitable it’s infinitely scalable.

But that doesn’t do much for pvp which you seemed to think was a problem.

@Lucas_Kell

I don’t know how to answer that because I don’t know how you think it would suddenly cause a surge in bots.

Because it already did.

[Lucas_Kell]

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[Daichi_Yamato]

@Lucas_Kell

You can’t just skip over my statements then pretend I’ve not made them.

If only you practiced what you preached…

@Lucas_Kell

(namely no faction ships or T2 modules) and safety locked to green/yellow only.

You still haven’t explained why this is necessary. Aside from faction ships, what problem are you solving?

@Lucas_Kell

Where? Again, CCPs data show that the vast majority of botting is from ratting in null. What data do you have that is better than data from CCP?

Quote me where i said the majority of botting doesn’t come from null?

[Lucas_Kell]

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[Daichi_Yamato]

@Lucas_Kell

I’ve already stated it’s the lack of consistency in the mechanics which leaves it unbalanced.

On it’s own is a poor argument.

There is no amarr/gallente pirate ship. It’s inconsistent. Doesn’t mean we introduce a new line of ships just because…alphas weren’t restricted because of 'balance. They were restricted to stop alts scaling and nerfed to reduce botting.

If you come up with decent proposals with good argument to back em up, then we can have that conversation. I’m not the one being called troll here.

But if it’s just because, you want to hurt alphas cause you don’t like them or ganking cause you don’t like it, then you were never here for an grown up conversation were you?

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Lucas_Kell

What I have an issue with is you then making up claims with zero evidence and trying to use that to give your opinion weight, then shifting the subject when I ask for evidence.

I admitted i didn’t have a link for alphas being meant for pvp. But the dev blog mentions alt scaling and several others have cited botting for the other restrictions on alphas.

Where as, at best, you’re being petty about inconsistencies. More likely you just want to nerf playstyles you don’t like…

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Lucas_Kell

a kneejerk emotional reaction

@Lucas_Kell

Delete

Because you are on such solid ground there.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Lucas_Kell

If botting is the reason to restrict alphas then they should not be able to rat as freely as they are.

And i agreed ratting could be taxed for alphas.

But if alphas can run level 4’s again, they will bot them just as they did before. And it’s obvious to everyone that mining in a barge will be botted.

Industry and trade is because of ALT SCALING. and the extra tax isn’t as straightforward as just limiting alpha skills in that area.

There’s enough evidence from faction warfare, vni ratting and missions to know what some players will do given half a chance. So it’s not happening.

@Lucas_Kell

It’s not petty. These types of inconsistencies normally mean that the person I’m talking to hasn’t thought through their position, they’ve just had a kneejerk emotional reaction based on incorrect assumptions.

One is not dependent to the other.

Consistency is a small price to pay for restricting abuse. Like the example above, we aren’t going to shoe horn a ship together just to satisfy the amarr/gallente gap.

Inconsistency in this case is another way to say freedom. We are free the restrict alphas in problem areas and give them more in non-problem areas.

@Lucas_Kell

There are no playstyles I don’t like.

Well now i know you’re lying.

You don’t get your reputation for nothing Lucas.

You’ve recently come back to the game yeah? As an alpha per chance?

Hmmm

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Lucas_Kell

Only if they don’t also tax those more

Is effectively what we have by restricting them to level 3’s. Same with ventures instead of barges.

The only problem is botting in null. Which i agree a tax could help.

@Lucas_Kell

I think the way they currently operate makes the game seem overly simplistic and lacking in depth.

When it comes to industry and trading yeah they could be missing some depth. And maybe they are missing gas mining in low/null/wh, but they certainly aren’t missing any depth from level4’s.

You could convince me to allow them a couple more industry slots…and I’d have no problem with alphas gas mining.

So regarding depth; how does restricting safeties and t2 mods on alphas show them the depth of eve?

@Lucas_Kell

What reputation is that exactly?

[ISD_Buldath]

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