So I made a new character. It was eye opening

[Gadget_Helmsdottir]

I’m a little confused here. Are you advocating for new players or for yourself?

An actual new player to EvE should expect there to be some sort of progression in an MMORPG, which EvE certainly is, even if it looks different from others.

An actual new player to EvE won’t know about most of the advanced items, ships, or playstyles. Hopefully they will learn about them in-game, and that will give them a carrot to strive for.

There are generally three ways to advance a character in an MMORPG - Levels, Skill Usage, or skill Assignment. WoW uses levels - where your all your abilities get better at certain experience levels, Runequest uses skill usage - where your individual skills get better when you use them, and EvE uses skill assignment - where the player assigns points to the skills they want in some fashion.

A new player that’s not new to gaming will recognize the assignment for what it is - progression, and may even be happy that the progression happens even when they are not playing.

A total noob to gaming is first to be pitied for cutting their teeth on EvE, but then lauded for going in hard. But they also won’t know about all the things you seem to think new players worry about…

@Nienna_Nannie

End of discussion for me.

Cool beans.

–Gadget was new once, too…

[Aisha_Katalen]

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

Are you advocating for new players or for yourself?

Bingo.

[Iceacid_Frostpacker]

Undocked for her 10th Annual Venture Hunt the other month but she never cared enough to come to catch me in Uedama.

/

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

–Gadget thought you could use a pick-me-up

This pilot was never a miner

[Sarah_Olson]

@Nienna_Nannie

No no. I’m sent into battle I want top-shelf state-of-the-art stuff or that battle will do without me.

At this point you have convinced me that you’re just trolling. Nice bait, you caught plenty of fish.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Aisha_Katalen

How would a newbie know about brisc?

Everybody knows about Brisc

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Aisha_Katalen

apart from the spec skills which (giving 2% per level) are only going to add like 6-8% realistically.

6 or 8 or 10… Point being that when I shoot antimatter it takes way longer to blow up a ship than with Javelins and the difference is obvious.

@Aisha_Katalen

T2 ammo isn’t outright better

Right, that’s why they’re sold at three times the price of antimatter ammo, because they’re not better.

@Aisha_Katalen

None of that matters especially not to an actual newbie who’s just toying around to see what they’d enjoy doing, they don’t even know of the existence of T2 mods

You are wrong. Any new player is able to know about t2 mods. Anyone can see what’s in the game to use just by going to the market.

@Gerard_Amatin

Why should a newbie specialize when they’re still trying out and getting to know new types of gameplay?

Why not?

@Gerard_Amatin

Specialization in EVE means spending a significant amount of time for very little gain, it’s the last thing a newbie in their orientation phase should be expected to be doing

Right, moving to better ammo and guns is the last thing to do, sure.

@Mr_Epeen

Starting new players at the top is a sure way to destroy an MMO. A genre that demands slow skilling and lots of grind to keep interest and engagement

You’ve learned that one by heart, haven’t you.

@Syzygium

Thats nonsense, I have lost hundreds of ships in this game

No one’s fault that you’re bad at it.

@Altara_Zemara

That’s a great excuse for not having any…along with being personal spokesperson for all noobs

What’s your problem?

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

I’m a little confused here. Are you advocating for new players or for yourself?

I’m not “advocating” for anything, it’s not like I think CCP is going to change the game for any one person. I’m trying to have a discussion with you.

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

An actual new player to EvE should expect there to be some sort of progression in an MMORPG, which EvE certainly is, even if it looks different from others

I have nothing against progression in a game, as long as it makes sense. EVEs progression doesn’t make sense, it’s just there to slow players’ progression, it’s a gimmick.
No wonder that some players start a new character, fill the skill queue and don’t come back to the game until a year later.

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

An actual new player to EvE won’t know about most of the advanced items, ships, or playstyles

Not talking about playstyles, that’s understood later, but of course that a new player is able to know about most of the advanced items, they’re right there for sale in the market!

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

But they also won’t know about all the things you seem to think new players worry about

I can only go by my experience.

@Nienna_Nannie

End of discussion for me.

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

Cool beans.

Sorry, I guess I meant for yesterday

@Gadget_Helmsdottir

Gadget was new once, too…

So why is so hard to believe that I was new once, too?

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Sarah_Olson

At this point you have convinced me that you’re just trolling

Because when you go to battle you’ll be happy to have a rifle from the revolutionary war of the 1700’s?

[Io_Koval]

@Nienna_Nannie

it’s just there to slow players’ progression, it’s a gimmick.

I disagree, in some ways it is meant to rate limit newbies into the game‘s mechanics. Imagine if they had to learn all the nuances of cynos right away, with no or very little SP in the way!

Despite this, newbies still inject into a carrier or dread, go to a lowsec bait system adjacent to high sec, buy a capital, undock it, and try to gate it to high sec. And get immediately blown up and laughed at in local.

There’s so much A) game mechanic and B) soft knowledge skills required to operate a capital ship that’s missing. It happens to also have C) high skillpoint requirements as well. Even if C were addressed, newbies would be quick to make very expensive mistakes. The time enforced by C gives folks the chance to slow down and learn. That’s not a bad thing. They can still pay-to-inject today and have fun losing their first cap.

Despite C we still see forum threads of „I’m a 2 year old big boy in nullsec yet Ganking is out of control I stuffed 2b into an untanked T1 industrial“ kind of newbie mistakes.

Even before capitals, there’s more mechanics newbies need to learn when going up ship sizes. What are the consequences of going from small to medium guns. Why can’t I hit small ships as well anymore. All these things and more, time-Rate limited content is a kind of safety rail.

Finally, the time gives meaningful choice to different newbies who want to pursue different aims. Ones who stay focused and disciplined on one activity get rewarded differently than newbies who are OK being less efficient but trying jack-of-all. „Meaningful choice“ is so core to Eve I don’t feel the need to elaborate upon it more.

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Brisc_Rubal

Everybody knows about Brisc

Your face and name are plastered on billboards in NPC stations. DUH

PS: And it literally says: “Get to know your CSM…”
… but no new player is supposed to know you, after three or four months of seeing your face on billboards?

@Aisha_Katalen

How would a newbie know about brisc?

You must know that even after 4 or 5 months in EVE a player can still be considered a noob. But it seems that you apply the word “noob” only when it suits you.

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Io_Koval

Imagine if they had to learn all the nuances of cynos right away, with no or very little SP in the way!

Why would they have to do that, isn’t this a Sandbox game? I would imagine they’d learn cynos whenever they’d like to.

@Io_Koval

Despite this, newbies still inject into a carrier or dread, go to a lowsec bait system adjacent to high sec, buy a capital, undock it, and try to gate it to high sec. And get immediately blown up and laughed at in local

So? If that’s what that noob wanted then he got it. I don’t see the problem with that. It was his choice he’ll have to live with it.

@Io_Koval

Even if C were addressed, newbies would be quick to make very expensive mistakes.

Let them make the mistakes, if that’s what they want, that’s how some people learn.
This Protect Noobs mentality makes no sense, especially when they can buy skill injectors and PLEX to get anything they want via real money.
The only people that the Skill Queue seems to “protect” are the ones who aren’t wallet warriors. How bizarre.

@Io_Koval

Finally, the time gives meaningful choice to different newbies who want to pursue different aims

I disagree. No one needs three months to decide what they’re gonna do in a game. That’s ridiculous.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Nienna_Nannie

No one needs three months to decide what they’re gonna do in a game. That’s ridiculous.

If you tell me that in three months you are doing exactly what you are doing now, I would have to “yeet shade” on you, as the kids said six months ago.

Metas change.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Nienna_Nannie

No one needs three months to decide what they’re gonna do in a game.

I’m sorry it took you so long to figure things out. Little slow, eh?

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Ramona_McCandless

If you tell me that in three months you are doing exactly what you are doing now, I would have to “yeet shade” on you, as the kids said six months ago.

Please don’t pretend you didn’t understand my post and the context in which it was written.

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Aiko_Danuja

I’m sorry it took you so long to figure things out. Little slow, eh?

Not everyone can be a perfect genius like you.

[Ramona_McCandless]

I didn’t, so you dont need to worry.

[Aiko_Danuja]

Regardless, you don’t deserve any hand outs.

If you want more stuff, get a credit card.

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Ramona_McCandless

I didn’t, so you dont need to worry

Then how about getting back on topic?

[Ramona_McCandless]

Havent left it toots.

Whether Ramona is or is not on topic isnt the topic, so please stop detrailing the thread.

[Nienna_Nannie]

@Aiko_Danuja

Regardless, you don’t deserve any hand outs.

If you want more stuff, get a credit card

I completely agree with you, and it seems that you agree with me that new players don’t need to be cuddled and protected. Remove that skill queue and let the action begin.

@Ramona_McCandless

Whether Ramona is or is not on topic isnt the topic, so please stop detrailing the thread

Nicely done.

Do you have a comment on any of my posts or are you just here to waste my time?

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Nienna_Nannie

are you just here to waste my time?

How many alts have you created to spam these forums?