Here we go again… you forum warriors need to imagine some new buttons to push, these ones are stale.
Has this happened to you before?
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Do you see me ask you off topic questions?
Do you have a point about the questions my posts raised or are you just here to look good? I mean you do look good but I don’t think that’s what this forum is for.
It’s ok, you can make a new alt and agree with yourself.
I can do whatever I like, thank you very much.
But I’m fine with this character being on this forum trying to understand how it is that you and your alts/trolls can take a thread off topic and nothing ever happens to you, how long have you been on this forum constantly being off topic? Must be years.
Whenever it is that you decide to get back on topic I shall reply to you. 
You can create as many troll alts as you want, to continually spam this forum with incessant attempts to endlessly argue the same topic. However, what you can’t do, is convince us that you are anybody else. You simply aren’t clever enough.
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Are you suggesting Im in some way forcing you to act outside your own will?
Like you are suggesting CCP does with new players?
Do you realise how unlikely that sounds?
Did you notice that was a question?
I’m suggesting nothing. I am noting that all that wasted time in the Skill Queue is a gimmick.
So far, I haven’t seen one post in this thread that proves otherwise.
As far as I’m concerned, I will continue to play this game because by now I have upgraded my Battlecruisers to Meduim Javelin-spewers with enough tank and cpu power to have real fun, and I’m happy to risk them next time I can go online with my combat alt. Yes, EVE players have alts, the horror.
I’m not in EVE to lead and take control of anything but my ships and my clones. It’s been fun getting here so I find it’s hilarious that you forum warriors want to make me out to be a troll when your posts scream TRIGGERED.
I do agree in principle, although I think some form of introductory skill grind is probably good practice given how the rest of the game works.
Then again, I think EVE is fundamentally broken because it keeps pandering to the reply guys. I joined up with a few dozen people and none of them lasted more than 3 months, so I know what frustrated them (inability to match up in combat, no sense of incremental fighting capability even with skill training) and it’s something that the majority of bittervets simply will not accept needs to change in order to help retention.
In their world view, they managed it, therefore everyone else should manage too, and if they can’t, then EVE isn’t right for them. Now, let me warp into another empty system 3 jumps from a trade hub.
Basically this will continue until CCP runs out of money. Things that are fundamental are breaking more regularly than ever and go unfixed (bounties, chat) and people don’t put 2+2 together. If you make your game unappealing to new players, it will die.
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Ok, and? So what? Whats your problem with games being different from each other?
Though its not wasted time as you dont even need to do anything.
I agree, but months?! Even with Omega time it takes months.
Right. They persist with the false notion that it would break EVE without any sound basis for it but guesses, generalities and outdated adages. It seems like they are happy with half the players gone but really the waiting time is to stonewall the player until he swipes that card. It’s cool with me, I understand that the game isn’t free but the Skill Queue isn’t the way to do it in these days. Let the players choose if they want to spend money on EVE, don’t insult their intelligence by inventing gimmicks. Make the game good and they will come.
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Yea. That’s not the point. I think you need to take a deep breath and calm down.
Ok well when you think of a point be sure and let us know x
I made my point several posts ago. Too bad you didn’t understand any of it.
It seems like you’re unaware that for the entirety of EvE’s existence, skill training has been a thing, but it has been only the last few years that a player could swipe a credit card in order to buy skill points.
Skill training has always been a fundamental part of EvE and it always will be no matter how much you mumble and groan about it. It sets EvE apart from other MMO’s, it lets players “level up” in real time even when they are offline.
Saying you did and doing so arent the same thing, sadly.
Guess you missed CCP’s plan pertaining to Skill Training and Attributes:
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And the plan is that skill training over time is still here to stay. Just like Sarah said.
Edit: Attributes made more sense when you had SP loss and no injectors and no skill point pools. Upon pod death with a too-small pod upgrade, you’d lose random levels in skills. Depending on the skill levels lost it might have been some attributes and not others. So to recover the skills you’d have to readjust your attributes to account for the now-missing skills. Made sense in these circumstances.
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Y’all have been busy little bees overnight (from my persepective here on the East Coast).
Let’s go over a few things:
I hate to say it, but this is the trap that many new players get into, “I need X amount of skills to engage in PVP”, which is bunk. Any character can engage in PVP fresh out of the career schools. EvE fights tend to favor the N+1 side, so the player being the +1 helps considerably, no matter the SP level of the character.
In general, if a player is going to want perfect skills to play the game, there IS an option for that - one I was and still am opposed to - but they can buy SP with cash. But should a new player buy the SP, then the ISK, then the bling - and STILL loses all of that to a savvy player in a less expensive and skill intensive ship, they are gonna quit anyway…
So here’s the core of the problem.
It’s not a Gimmick. I’m sorry you don’t understand that, but it just isn’t.
As I explained before, it’s just one way of showing your character’s progression.
Progression is still needed because EvE is an MMORPG… not a MOBA.
At the time EvE was released, CCP’s choice of progression was novel. Now it’s iconic.
But this is a YOU problem, and that’s fine. Not everyone’s going to get or like a specific mechanic in a game. However, this whole thread - is about new players and how they interact with SP.
You’ve claimed that players set up a skill plan and then come back a year later to actually play EvE.
Do vets do this? Sure, but they are setting up an alt for a specific purpose and continue to play on their main.
But what New Player is doing that?
Seriously, what new player to EvE (y’know the whole focus of this thread) is going to buy a whole year of EvE, set up a skill queue, then just NOT PLAY. There is so much illogic here…
EvE’s SP system works to show a character’s progression, and also offers a stick for a player to keep coming back. Could a different system have been used? Sure. I do wonder what EvE would have been like if it used Runescape’s system, earning SP only when a skill was used. But if EvE had done that it would overly benefit those who just plain had more time.
20 years later is far too late to chage the progression system and still have EvE remain EvE.
New players actually don’t have a problem with the system. I DO listen in to Rookie chat. Of course some impatient ones want the shiny thing now, but there is a mechanic that they can get it if they really want it… at a cost.
EvE’s SP system serves its purpose, and the vast majority of actual new players do not have a problem with the system. The system is not a "gimmick’, but sure CCP could have used a different system two decades ago, but they didn’t.
–Gadget thinks she covered everything
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You’re incorrect. In our world view, we went through worse. SP loss, ISK costs to upgrade pods and prevent loss, and some skills were lost upon ship death (not pod death). And no injectors, no skill pool, no dailies to get that back. Have fun retraining! And we had to do learning skills to top it off.
And here’s the kicker: no one is arguing to returning to the 
we went through. You don’t want to go through what we went through. We don’t want it either.
Y’all are going through a better experience than us. We aren’t asking you to go through what we went through. But that doesn’t stop you from being a condescending presumptive asshole and demand it be made even easier and pretend people that want the status quo are gatekeepers. Or hell, proposing a radical change to fundamentals of the game.
Maybe don’t assume next time.
If you look over the long arrow of time, CCP does make slow changes to the game, and they are always changes that pander to each cohort of folks like you that are unhappy with the status quo. So you can look forward to getting your way, eventually (it might take another 10 years).
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