As for his feelings, what do I care, this is Eve, no safe spaces here…
Is what I said…, notice the word feelings, missed that did you, diddums…
I sent a mail to Salvos with petition level information, he can confirm that I did that, I have also sent the details to another poster who asked about it. I will not be sending it to you as it would be a waste of pixels, much as replying to you now is…
goodbye man o7 hope you will be back some time in the future. Highsec needs you!
Also, lol @ all the mad carebears who think pulling CONCORD is an exploit. This is a normal game mechanic and working as intended. But I get it, you are mad because you lost that mining ship/freighter. Well, should have purchased a mining permit.
LOL at mad gankbears who think it was about pulling CONCORD when it was not.
I wanted to quickly put my mark on this post before its closed abruptly via the moderator chopping block.
I had a deep reflection about myself the other day: am I a good person, or am I a bad person ?.. Well, it depends if it’s in-game or not, or maybe it does not depend because I think that in-game or “RL” after all its the same.
Everywhere you read: suicide gankers, scammer, spammers and griefers are such nice people in real-life: they must have good jobs, they must respect other people, they have kids and bring them gifts home, they sometimes are house-wife’s taking care of their kids and make cookies for their neighbors. But while the kids are sleeping and the cookies are baking, they grief and exploit other players and make their game experience a misery because they exploit game-mechanics devs cannot resolve. Right ? That is what you hear.
Then I think about myself: I never spam, never grief, never kill a miner, never suicide-gank, never lie, never smack talk in local, never ever kill a new bro, I try always to help others as much as I can, I sometimes re-reimburse the ships I am killing because I feel bad about having done it, I accept on purpose duels in front of Jita knowing that there are 3 Rattles waiting in-station ready to blow me up, I mine on purpose in ventures in front of the nose of suicide gankers so that get content, etc. etc.
But then I think: does it mean that I am a bad person in real life and I try to be nice in game to compensate ? Sometimes I smack talk people in forums yes I admit, sometimes I insult people really hard in real-life, sometimes I get warnings from CCP that I will be banned from forums if I continue to behave like that. But basically that’s it. I see nothing else I do wrong.
So finally, I am back square one and I conclude: the bad guys in-game, so called nice people in “RL” are in fact also ass-holes in RL (like for instance the OP). Right ?
Strange… I feel I am going to have nap and think more about this, but I will not quit EVE yet unless I am perm-banned because I delay the station docking timer.
Ok bye
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. The reddit link is Globby’s analysis of some events that happened last October that resulted in some bans for “delaying CONCORD”. I have no more information that that public, but the most plausible explanation which is backed up by the API data is that some overzealous GM’s were confused by the timing of an earlier suicide point and handed out temp bans for “delaying CONCORD” incorrectly. This was unfortunately at the same time Ascension was released and the support ticket queue was unusually long so by the time it was looked at again most of the ban had been served. It is of course possible that they were actually “exploiting” through some unknown technique, but given the personalities involved and the rest of the circumstances it is much more likely it was run-of-the-mill gank that was petitioned and mistaken bans were handed out.
Mistakes happen and people can choose to hold CCP accountable for that however they choose. Maybe one day I will catch a ban for something that was previously kosher, or by mistake and I will have the same choice to make. I would probably go more quietly if that was my choice, but it is probably is good to remind CCP from time-to-time the relationship between the players and the developer is a two-way street and there is a cost to heavy-handed, erroneous or capricious enforcement of the rules. In this case though, that event resulted only in temp bans (further arguing GM misunderstanding as I hope true, blatant exploiters would be banned permanently) so I think the OP was just ready to move on but perhaps all he needs is a little distance and he will return like so many of those that ‘won’ Eve have before.
So long brother. We will gank in your remembrance, and in honor of the lost martyrs of High Sec.
Your donation to the cause will be put to good use.
Praise James! \o/
Sorry, but if the ban was applied due to what I think it was than their ban is totally correct and there is nothing heavy handed or erroneous about it.
Sadly the OP while being salty has been less than precise about which ban he is talking about as he wants to just stir angst against CCP.
Please explain your theory. Globby’s summary of the API data and that of the killmail show nothing out of the ordinary nor any evidence that CONCORD was delayed.
The Globby event is most probably not what the bans were for.
Intriguing but I don’t believe you. Falcon basically confirmed that is what the bans were for in that Reddit thread (or perhaps Globby’s one before that one) as did the gank victim who confirmed he petitioned that gank in the same thread.
In any case, as I said above I find this whole out-of-game metagaming you are engaging in distasteful and I won’t participate further. Our space friend is leaving and can claim any reason he’d like and we all will make up our own minds about whether we care about (or believe) those reasons.
o7
Its called seperation of fantasy and reality.
despite all of the “eve is real” advertising, and the very strong real world bonds that are created THROUGH the game, it is still just a game. and the way someone chooses to play the game, or the character they portray, is in no way indicative of how they are in the real world.
is an actor who plays super villains on tv a horrible person in real life? probably not, and we have seen cases of people who’s on screen personas might be fantastic who turn out to be ■■■■ stains.
the character I play at larp (an uber nerd who plays eve, such a shock) is a morally reprehensible sociopath and murderer. that does not mean that i’m gonna go out in the real world and start killing anyone who gets in my way.
someone who praises james and enforces the code in game is playing a role, and having some fun in the GAME. to try and infer some sort of real world moral code from that just makes no sense.
yes you happen to play a role in the game that is very close to your real life morality, that does not mean that everyone does, and it does not make playing a character that is different or even opposite your real life morality is wrong or bad in any way.
I’m sure there are also people in game who are the nicest most generous people you could ever hope to meet, who also beat their partners IRL.
eve is a game, and to make moral judgements based on how people choose to play the game says more about you than about them.
What distasteful meta games am I supposed to be playing, I am talking about another exploit that gankers have been using and have been banned for, either it was the one you mentioned which I agree is borderline and said so at the time, or it is the one I am referring to which is not and they deserve their bans.
As the OP is being less than precise in his butt hurt I can only guess which one it is. You don’t know and neither do I.
EDIT: The contact I had on the exploit I am talking about was 13th January 2017 which is when I had it confirmed as being against the rules, as the OP said people who had been banned over the last year I wondered if it could be this exploit, but he could be referring to the earlier one.
You have a good point. However you forget something essential in your argument: when you play a role in a movie you follow a script and you know that its all fake and that the person you are bad towards does not suffer from your actions.
In EVE, the person you are bad towards DOES suffer from your actions and you know it. A bad person uses exploits and insider information to push his “role” even further. The game is just a tool sitting in between you and your victim and gives you a mean to hide from your actions and face justice. This is why you should not separate the two.
EVE is Real Life and it give you a mean to show who you really are as a person within a well defined framework. A perm-ban is just a chopping block held by the justice system players have not access to when your actions as a bad person reach a threshold CCP is not willing to let you pass.
Eve is a game. you do not personally suffer when you loose a ship, because all that has been lost is a bunch of space pixels. when someone logs in and goes out ganking they are playing a roll in that game, just because you have difficulty separating fiction from reality does not mean that they are a bad person.
You could say the same with real money, its just a number stored in a database on a computer, but it allows you to adopt a certain behavior which has consequences on other people feelings.
A space ship on a screen is a tool and allows you to adopt a behavior towards others and gives you access to their feelings because they have spent time and effort to get that ship you are destroying. Therefore, if you chose the bad side its because you ARE bad, if you cannot make the difference between good and bad its means you are sick.
This is what bugs me and even if I try to be bad in game, I just can’t do it, and this is why I conclude that I have a good chance to be a good person.
Well that sounds like a personal problem them. and you shouldn’t try and force your own sense of morality on others in a video game. one that is centered around and in fact relies upon destruction for the economy to work.
My ingame activities usually depend on my mood, and who I’m interacting with.
I can be very helpful but I can also be the biggest pain.
It also varies depending on the respect I have for the person I’m interacting with.
I consider myself good irl, I take more time helping others than I spend time on myself… and I rarely ask for help back (I absolutely hate it)
So your overall statement might be right for some, but I’d say it’s not for most 
And @Dracvlad tbh, I doubt anything you have is real
Otherwise why wouldn’t you share it with us? (Us = The EVE community) Especially since it’s “Petition Level Information” lel
That’s mostly why I disrespect ag, you’re all mostly based on the false beliefs that you create 
Whereas CODE. and most gankers are based on facts and CCP-given information 
Think about it
Haha, always love the whole “insider information” from you “contacts” thing you do. And then when anyone gets a glimpse at what you are actually talking about it always turns out to be something you stringed together with your various hallucinations about how EVE works. That “contact” was probably some other ag dude which had a similar hallucination. lol
I sent the details to Salvos and to another person, as I pointed out in my edit above this was something that I raised with CCP and got confirmation it was an exploit on 13th January 2017, so might not fit within the OP’s year comment. I reported one person for this exploit and on the 8th February 2017 went back to null sec. As they were aware of it at this point I think they could work out who was doing this exploit.
If the OP can get over his butt hurt perhaps he can say whether it was what Black Pedro mentioned or the very real exploit I petitioned. In any case I don’t really care what you think, I just took your normal troll post as an opportunity to make a clarification based on my exchange with Black Pedro who I actually respect unlike you.
