Meaningful choice. If you dont want risk mine in a tanked procurer in a 0.9 or 0.8 system and make them bring numbers and work for it. Don’t care? Then mine in a retriever in a 0.5 system.
This is all in the players control. Not the gankers.
Once again all the challenge is in the hands of the gankee, not the ganker. Almost as if gankers are no more inteligent than npc’s. As i was saying earlier, high sec ganking should require skill and be rare, to have an impact. Right now it just feels like another mechanic of the game, if you do x then gankers will come for you, like stupid rats.
Simply not true. For this to be true you have to make the assumption that players are making zero effort to avoid the gankers. In the procurer example it just sits there and waits for the 7 or 8 flashies that just appeared in local to land on gird with it? No that pilot should be out of there the minute those names pop up.
If a miner is paying attention to local and d-scan and being aware of what’s happening around them then the gankers have to physically actually catch them. Catching people that know what they are doing is not easy. there is challenge in that.
If you are seriously telling me that fitting sensibly, watching local, using dscan and warping to station when flashies appear is more challenging than catching a competent miner then the only thing being ganked here is your credibility.
How can i make it clearer.
What you say is exactly what i say is the problem
All the challenge is in the hands of the gankee, sure you can avoid ganking most of the time but wheres the risk for the ganker? if the target goes away then too bad, you’ll have it next time. The target was too tough and concord came in time to save it? Too bad, they lost like 2-3 cheap AF catalyst. Gankers have absolutely nothing to lose and gankee do, as well as having to be paranoiac about everything and everyone in system. If i want to be parano i go to null sec, high sec should ne safe-ish and mostly free from that. Plus that could help the dying industry that’s struggling to do anything
If ganking was as lucrative and easy as you keep saying: why aren’t you doing it? You’re apart of a nullsec bloc, and you claim nullsec blocs are funding ganks? It sounds like you’re turning down easy money and brain-dead pew pews to instead simply complain about ganking while sitting in an alliance with 30 sov systems in their name.
I don’t know how to make this any more explicit: I think it’s a strong signal that because you aren’t ganking, perhaps it isn’t as “easy” and “brain-dead pew pew” as you keep claiming.
That’s a choice you have as a [future] ganker.
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Whoever wants to use one should know there is a 90% chance he’ll lose it. The choice is his.
That’s part of the game. Invest time wisely and be ready to waste some through bad choices. EVE wants to be punishing, that’s nothing anyone can do about except CCP. I don’t think they want to lose money by reducing the amount of destruction in the game.
Who’s crazy enough to pilot a 3B ship without support? It’s insane.
Properly fit, a Venture can escape a gank in asteroid belt.
The reason is: Playing the game. If someone wants to gank then it’s allowed. I don’t see any discussion unless CCP ask our opinion, which they haven’t.
Cowardice would imply avoiding bodily injury or death. No one has ever died playing a videogame.
I dont think you even deserve an answer but whatever. I dont do ganking, done.
You lost what little credibility you had there
No. It isnt. The gankee has to fit a ship sensibly, watch local, use descan and dock up if they need to. Which part of that is challenging? The ganker(s) on the other hand has to find that ship and get to it before it gets to safety. There is challenge in that if the gankee is in any way competent.
The only times there are zero challenge for the ganker is when we are dealing with auto piloters like we talked about above.
Guaranteed ship lose. Hits to standings. Kill rights. Etc. Now i can accept that you don’t think thats enough and i can totally see a case for more meaningful consequences. But don’t pretend its nothing just to suit your arguments.
I agree. Which begs the question as to why we see so much auto piloting, afk mining etc. If you value what you have why dont you protect it by taking basic safety precautions. As challenging as you know……actually playing the game …… as oppossed to setting autopilot and going to make dinner?
It is. Like i said before i cant remember the last time i saw a ganker let along had to avoid one. You are basing your entire argument on your perception of activities in a handful of systems and applying that to the whole of highsec. High sec is radically different from one end to the other.
We curb destruction reducing demand for ships and modules further while ensuring all mined ore and goods make it market. More material less demand. OMG industry is fixed.
And this is where you lose credibility – I am asking fair but pointed questions, which is apparently too high a bar.
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I dont pretend its nothing i say its expected, the ganker knows this will happen, this is not a risk this is a known consequence that you can plan for.
Once again, all the challenge is in the hands of the gankee, and all the risk and unknown factor.
I fail to see how actually being at your keyboard is a challenge.
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Because i’m not a psycho and i dont enjoy pvp in eve. Why should i be a mindless drone in some random code corporation when i despise this gameplay
Perhaps the most significant risk to gankers is being labelled a psycho for playing the game as intended.
Perhaps you should tone done the rhetoric a bit
poor little things
Oh noes!! 
Calm down miner
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Ouch it hurts, the generic pre-made no need to think phrase that code cowards use. What am i gonna do
Become a ganker? 
Touched a nerve did I?
Emotional outbursts like this are a sure sign of self absorbed entitlement. Thank you for making my point.
When you’re done having your temper tantrum I’d be more than happy to engage in a logical discussion with you.
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