ССР steals in-game money from players

Probably too loud a name?
BUT HOW CAN IT NOW BE CALLED?
So what is the gist of the matter?
I put a buy order in the trading system and at the same time pay the full cost of the goods I want to buy, plus I pay a commission to the broker. The Order is created, paid, and posted.
A man comes and sells to me what I buy.
and here the most interesting !!!
I have already paid for the purchase of goods to the broker, but when I buy, I pay the price of the goods again !!!
What is it if not theft ?!
Of course, I can also lie, but you can check my words by entering the game and placing a purchase order for purchase. Remember how much money was withdrawn. Then sell the item to yourself and see what happens in the wallet.
The great combiner Ostap Bender, who knew 400 ways of comparatively honest money taking from the population, would envy the scheme from the ССР

Data Laughing

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Okay, double check your market logs to make sure you weren’t double billed. If you want, you can post a screenshot, and someone will take a look. Odds are this is just a misunderstanding. If it is not, however, you should file a support ticket.

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It’s actually not your money. It’s CCP’s money.
It’s not even real money.
Definitely not your fake money in any case.

Therefore it’s not “theft”, because they can’t steal from themselves.

Possession does not equal ownership.

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You don’t pay, when somebody sell you stuff, it subtract from amount you payed earlier and just show that sum in log. If you online in that particular moment, you can see floating “tooltip” with red “0”.
Relax.

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I don’t think you’re deliberately lying but …

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[quote=“Solstice_Projekt, post:4, topic:227714, full:true”]
It’s actually not your money. It’s CCP’s money.

not stolen from me, but from my character. such actions will lead to sad consequences

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maybe I’m a fool, but I can count!
when I put a dozen orders with the character, he had very few funds left. I transferred an additional amount to his account from the main account and then did not conduct any operations for a month. out of 100 million ISK only 2. where did the rest go?
no need to argue, this can be checked by entering the game

They already have

This thread

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Vals Loeder
I don’t think you’re deliberately lying but …

I am a man, respectively, I can lie and be mistaken, but numbers are a stubborn thing

When placing a buy order you are billed for the total amount + fees; now when some one sells to your buy order, yes, a transaction record will be put into your wallet but no additional isk is withdrawn from your wallet.

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It’s as ISD Sakimura says.

Look at it this way, when placing a buy order the isk is removed from your account (wallet) and put into another account which is also yours. That other account is used to cover the buy order so the amount will get less as you receive goods from that buy order. If you cancel the buy order you get the remaining isk back minus fees.

There used to be this skill called margin trading where you don’t put the full price of a buy order into the market and have to cover the rest from your wallet.
This sounds like what you are describing.
Lucky for your misunderstanding this skill has been removed so you can’t misunderstand anything.

Are you? And if you are; who cares.

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I sexually identify as an Apache attack heli…

Aw shite wrong thread.

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That’s nice, but is it relevant?

What would be helpful is a sequence of actions that allows to reproduce that double loss of money you described.

Maybe you have an older buy order that was set up using the margin trading skill before March 10th. The escrow margin trading effect remains the same on old buy orders until they are finished or expire.

This means when someone sold to it you would have to still pay from your wallet to cover the additional ISK required.

EDIT: Yes, this means that there is still plenty of “Fake” buy orders and the margin trading scam will be long lived until these buy orders finally expire. It will take awhile for this scam to end because either someone has to use them or they are used to make other players put up their own buy orders at a higher price which means they almost never get cancelled.

If they really wanted to end the scams as claimed in the update description they would have required the full escrow be payed immediately after the update on all old buy orders but they just want your ISK.

It isn’t the same as stealing though, you are just paying more “fees” and the ISK to pay for buy orders is still the same out of your wallet at the end of the day.

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I’m with the OP here.

Taxation is theft.

Probably Broker Fees too!

Should CCP should be taking money from the good people, the producers, solely for the reason that they are good? I think not, for that is a work of evil.

So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal wlth one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

  • Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

OP, I suggest you find some like-minded people of reason to stand with you against the looting of your ISK by CCP. Maybe start with this guy:

If anyone knows how to get in touch with the John Galt of Eve Online, it would be him.

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You can’t update such orders anymore? At least, that what patch notes said:

Existing <100% escrow orders will remain until they expire/complete, but they cannot be created/extended any more.
https://www.eveonline.com/article/q6z2qy/patch-notes-for-march-2020-release

If it true, all <100% escrow orders will expire in June or earlier.

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Good to know, it said they would continue to function as normal in the market update “Broker Relations” page but as you say in the patch notes they included that they will no longer be able to extend the length of such orders.

So 2 more months and all final margin trading will end. Now I know how long to wait for the fake orders to expire and I can start setting up more buy orders at a “legit” price.

Still doesn’t mean players won’t set up buy orders trying to make you put your price up higher. I like to set up fake sale orders but they are still actual sales when players buy from them.

Tricky CCP sneaking that in there but in this case it is a benefit for everyone.