Taxes

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Gerard_Amatin Hi, Gerard.
My comment about hiding things has nothing to do with taxes.
I was replying to @Uriel_the_Flame about how game companies hide certain facts from their games, in general.
I do not want taxes to be, as you say, hidden.
I was asking why not take out the taxes before the reward is paid. I was asking why say a reward is 500,000 instead of saying it 450,000?

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

Hey @Lionalia_Amarria welcome to New Eden. For years the devs and designers of old believed that some parts of the game were meant to be found by players and not revealed by devs (not counting taxes). So as you further play, you may find yourself asking, why didnt this get mentioned?

Hi, @Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras and thank you. And also thank you for the info. EVE is a weird game but I like it.

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

Past few years though some information has found its way into the game, like showing info on a rat will show you its resists.

thanks for the tip!

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

As @Uriel_the_Flame mentioned, leave the npc corp asap so you can pay less taxes. Figure out what you like to do in game, and use the recruitment section here to find a corp if you want a group, or if you wanna be solo for a while, there are some corps that will let you park and have free taxes (i have one of these)

I don’t really mind paying the taxes, 11% isn’t that high. My beef was that I believe rewards should not be taxed. I don’t mind if there taxes for the other things but when someone tells me I won something I would like that something to be whole and not partial.

[Gerard_Amatin]

Almost all your income in EVE is taxed. Why shouldn’t rewards be taxed?

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Gerard_Amatin I guess I was basing the idea of reward like these kinds of rewards:

I don’t know but do you think whoever killed him had his reward taxed?

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

I think its only after 100k isk that bounties on rats are taxed.

[Gerard_Amatin]

I get that, you don’t want to get taxed on your income, but that’s how it works in EVE if you’re in a corporation with nonzero taxes.

If you don’t want to get taxed, why not leave your current corporation and find one that has no taxes? Or join a corporation that does something useful with those taxes?

Personally I don’t mind taxes in EVE, paying them means my corporation has ISK to make my life easier with structures, ship replacement programs and the likes.

But you’re wasting your taxes in an NPC corporation where you get nothing in return.

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

I think its only after 100k isk that bounties on rats are taxed.

I do expect now that every income regardless of the provenance is taxed in New Eden.

I guess I feel they shouldn’t call it “Reward” is all. In my mind a reward isn’t taxed.
When my parents gave me rewards for acting good they never took pieces of it away.
When my employer gives me a reward for being a good employee, he never takes anything away from it. Last year he gave me tickets to the theater. The tickets included ALL of the theater’s price of a ticket, not 75% of it.

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Gerard_Amatin

I get that, you don’t want to get taxed on your income, but that’s how it works in EVE if you’re in a corporation with nonzero taxes.

I don’t mind getting taxed on my income but then if I am, don’t call it a “reward”.

[Gerard_Amatin]

I don’t see the correlation.

If you get rewarded for doing your job in real life with a salary or a bonus, you’re also going to get taxed.

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Gerard_Amatin

If you get rewarded for doing your job in real life with a salary or a bonus, you’re also going to get taxed.

When my employer gives me a reward for being a good employee, he never takes anything away from it. Last year he gave me tickets to the theater. The tickets included ALL of the theater’s price of a ticket, not 75% of it.

[Gerard_Amatin]

Tax bad, I get your point.

That’s just not how EVE is, you pay taxes here or you join a corporation that doesn’t take taxes.

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Gerard_Amatin

Tax bad, I get your point.

NO you don’t get my point.

But it’s ok. I don’t expect everyone to understand what I mean.

[Gerard_Amatin]

I do get what you mean, you want tax-free rewards.

Like I’ve said before: if you join a corporation that has no taxes you can get your tax-free rewards.

[Lionalia_Amarria]

@Gerard_Amatin

I do get what you mean

NO, you do not get what I mean, but it’s okay.
Have a good evening, Gerard.

[Uriel_the_Flame]

She dislikes the fact that once she received a reward she has to pay tax after it (not the tax itself is her problem) thus reducing the amount she saw earlier. She feels “robbed” as she doesn’t actually have the full amount despite it showed up that way as the tax is applied a millisecond later.

I think it is some mental thing (not as in illness, instead a mindset or way of thinking, a pet peeve perhaps is the proper term).

Btw when you win the lottery for example some places the amount advertised is what you receive after taxes (thus what you actually win is more but the tax is deducted already when they showcase the amount), while some other cases you have to pay tax afterwards in the form of income tax and such.

I guess she would feel bad about the latter as in her mind it is processed as if a portion is taken away afterwards, while both cases tax is paid just not as noticeable. Dunno, a bit odd and it is entirely a “mental” or mindset thing.

At least that’s how I understand what she writes.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

It might just be how it is in game due to coding.
To make sure the right taxes are given out drop the full amount in wallet then remove taxes.

@Gerard_Amatin

get rewarded for doing your job in real life with a salary or a bonus, you’re also going to get taxed

Same, i just got a christmas bonus, and an allotment that essentially pays my health insurance, both taxed

[Wyk_Bathana]

one thing OP
you have been a bit too much aggressive toward people who tried to answer you, like Uriel
you have many things to learn in that game, so if you immediately get upset and do not try to understand game mechanics, you won’t last for long here
YOU did not try to check the tax rate of the NPC corp you are in, YOU did not read about NPC corps or regular corps etc, but you come here and declare that devs “lie” etc.
This game is a no hand holding game, you have to harden the ■■■■ up, read, discuss with others, experiment, improve and embrace the challenge

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

@Lionalia_Amarria

11% isn’t that high. My beef was that I believe rewards should not be taxed

one thing i noticed nobody mentioned. So in an NPC corp the 11% tax is a sink… but if you join a player corp, that tax actually goes to the corporation, and help fund whatever the corp does, or fund SRP or whatever.

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

and help fund

…the CEO’s personal pleasure habits.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

what happens with the damsel in distress, stays with the damsel

or what happens in the pleasure hub, stays in the pleasure hub.