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(Proteus Onzo) #3834

Nothing you said refutes why scanning should incur a suspect flag.

I in turn explained how the data of my ships fit and cargo are private, and them being known to others via scanning reduces my capability to defend myself.

If you know a ships fit, you know what you need to take it out.
If you know a ships cargo, you know whether its worth it or not to take them out.

This is really basic and obvious, and your dancing around it is equally obvious as to why.

Dont try to spin this again. You, I and everyone else knows exactly what is the issue here.


(Arrendis) #3835

I’m not dancing around anything. Do you know what changes a gank squad makes when they get a ship’s fit?

Maybe they change how many they bring.
Maybe they change their ammo type.

Usually… they bring enough to kill your ship twice if it’s carrying a good tank, before they even get your fit, just in case people are idiots. Because people are idiots.

Knowing your fit doesn’t change their math in any appreciable way. Either way, you’re going to die when they open fire.

So, still not demonstrating any measurable impact on you here.


(Annah Tsero) #3836

The only real issue here is you.

Not the game mechanics, not the bots, not the wardeccers, not the gankers, not @Arrendis, not anyone but you.

I don’t even know why you keep doing the same thing over and over in the hopes that you succeed when you know you were doomed from the start Salvos.

Just let it go, move on with your life


(Proteus Onzo) #3837

Do you refute that knowing the fit and cargo of a potential target are invaluable in regards to how to destroy them and whether destroying them is worthwhile?

Are you stating that fit and cargo scanning is pointless and the acquired data without value?


(Lugburz) #3838

the police wear all black, so do most security… and ninjas of course…


(Arrendis) #3839

Knowing how the target is fit is not ‘invaluable’ in regards to knowing how to destroy them. It’s a little helpful, but definitely not ‘invaluable’. Knowing their cargo is relatively helpful in knowing whether or not you want to destroy them, sure. That doesn’t mean it directly impacts you at all, however.

The action that has a direct impact upon you is the one people get CONCORDed for.


(Proteus Onzo) #3840

You wont get CONCORDed for scanning their fit or cargo, either.
Just a suspect flag, if not at war.

Its fair and square.

Getting someones fit and cargo data in HS warrants a suspect flag as cost for it.

You downplay the value of that data, but everyone knows its central to choosing suicide gank targets, both for minimum effort and maximum reward.

As said above, this wont affect wardec target scanning at all.


(Annah Tsero) #3841

That moment when you try to bait someone into answering a question that’s been answered pretty explicitly here


(Proteus Onzo) #3842

?

This is not the CSM thread.

Are you confusing my discussion with Arrendis, with Faylee?

Afaik, they are two different people. Are you saying they arent?


(Annah Tsero) #3843

*** The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out***

When will you learn?


(Proteus Onzo) #3844

Faylee hasnt posted here since several hundred posts back.
Ive been talking mostly with Arrendis here.

Are you saying that Arrendis and Faylee are the same person, or did you get confused?


(Arrendis) #3845

So which of your neighbors are you currently planning to beat up for looking in the boot of your car? After all, you haven’t seen them do it, so you must suspect them, right?


(Daichi Yamato) #3846

You are confusing ‘suspicious’ in general with eve online’s ‘suspect flag’.

In eve what do you get a suspect flag for? Is it looking in people’s cans/wrecks? Is it bumping them? Is it moving an alt close to your wartarget for a warp in?

All of the above could be considered ‘suspicious’ activities, but you don’t get a ‘suspect flag’ for them. And it’s the same for scanning peoples ships.

So what do you get ‘suspect flags’ for?

Stealing from someones wreck/can. Shooting someones property. Providing assistance to someone during a fight you’re not part of.

Do you get it?
The ‘suspect flag’ is not for ‘suspicious’ activity. It’s for what could be considered low level crime.


(Arrendis) #3847

Yep. It’s ‘a crime has been committed and YOU are the ‘suspect’—in the sense that you haven’t yet been apprehended’.


(Proteus Onzo) #3848

Sure, but the point is that scanning a non-decced targets fit or cargo would be a suspect level offense.

That its called “suspect” is just the term CCP chose for low level offenses to allow aggression without CONCORD interference, both for the suspect and their target.


(Arrendis) #3849

A low-level offense that is punishable by death.

You still haven’t answered the question:


(Proteus Onzo) #3850

Its not punishable by death, just enables defensive aggression against a player that commited a suspect level act. How you survive after going suspect is up to you.

This is EVE, not IRL.

But if you want to do the IRL route, scanners that detect the speed detectors used by police are illegal in möst countries. Even if a device existed to scan under the hood or boot of a car or truck at distance, it would be illegal to use it, unless you are official of an authority entitled to do so.


(Arrendis) #3851

If someone goes suspect, they can be killed for going suspect. That is what ‘punishable by death’ means. It means it can be punished by the offender being killed. It doesn’t mean death is guaranteed. It means it’s an option that is considered acceptable for those who wish to punish the offender to use.


(Proteus Onzo) #3852

Yes, just like choosing the option to scan someones fit or cargo without wardec would incur a suspect flag, thus making you vulnerable to aggression.

You can be killed whether you are suspect or not.

The only difference in a suspect level offense, is CONCORD wont intervene on either side.
Thats why suspect flag exists. Players handle it. Not CONCORD.

PS: You are never killed in EVE. You just respawn.


(Arrendis) #3853

So which one’s the lie?