You can already have this now. And do - belts are full of NPC corp barges and exhumers you can’t do anything but bump or gank. Adding a social corp that is just like the NPC-corp and chat channel system many veterans have figured out won’t change the existing balance a bit. It would just give groups more permanence as they move from war-ready to war-immune status, accepting the appropriate limitations of course.
What should have happened is that the NPC corp have additional limits on things like say no capital ships (Freighters) or exhumers but that ship has sailed. Finding acceptable differences to separate social/NPC corps from competitive corps will be part of the challenge for CCP during this revamp. Taxes and structures are the obvious ones, but there really should be more reasons to either be in a competitive corp, or to go to war, if they want the mechanic to be used more.
Its just declaration and then you have to pay a fee to kill, but CONCORD always takes money without even asking “why war”?
There is some kind of Yulai Convention but I never saw any. Probably what is written there is only “Everyone can massacre everyone if he gives us some of those bloodstained ISKies”
I don’t want to get into a debate on how to balance the T3Cs and that wasn’t my intention.
My point is simply that even processes that people think are good can result in things still not being balanced. So those who think focus groups of “experts” result in better outcomes don’t really have a leg to stand on.
Whether it’s through elections or through focus groups, if CCP decides they want to do something, player feedback only goes so far.
I’m not sure where lies the root of the wardec problem, without finding patient zero we don’t know how to threat the patient. Is Brisc idea to remove it completely so stupid? War in HS exists only because of Concord, but Concord is only for vengeance. What was the HS before Concord in terms of wars?
The Amarr Empire attacking the Jove, and Minmatar slaves rebelling and rising up to rip themselves out of slavery and found the Republic. It’s been 120 years since CONCORD was established by the Yulai Conventions.
You might want to look into that a bit deeper, you might learn something.
I have never actually said that you were wrong with that, however I am looking at something that makes hisec more interesting in terms of war decs, in other words make hisec wars fun and engaging that people want to go and fight against. At the moment they are one big turn off.
No one is going to gank a empty shuttle or empty iteron with a tornado. Why is that? Because there is a cost-benefit calculation that determines who is a viable target. This calculation includes the DPS required to kill the target ship, the speed of concord response given the system security and the number of ganks ships that will be required to kill the target before getting concorded.
Once war is declared however every ship no matter the cargo and no matter the value becomes a cost-free target for the individual pilot blowing it up.
If you think this is “ridiculous, stupid and abuseable” then by all means tell us why. That is what a discussion is for. But I will say again, I don’t see why a war dec structure should be any harder to kill than at the very least a low power astra in wormhole space. This is my opinion.
If you really are trying to contribute to the discussion and not just defend the status quo, explain to me why i’m wrong.
So you just proved to me that you get the extortion bit, but never replied to me if you think that merc war dec fees comes way below extortion income. But how much deeper does your knowledge go on the most successful hisec war decker and their activities. I am not here to tell you, I am merely gauging whether you get the full picture.
You want an argument, and bait post, you want to be right and win your forum war.
All that is important to me is that they apply the structures as per Jin’taan’s suggestion, what you think and say or bait on is irrelevant and a waste of time. I said they were a turn off, which is the issue and you said that it is not the current issue, wrong!
I highly doubt a 25-man corp is ‘the most successful hisec war decker’. @Tora_Bushido, these guys more successful than Marmite, you think?
No, I want to have a discussion about the actual issues and potential solutions. Jin’taan’s idea is one, but it’s not the only one, and it’s not exactly a good one when it comes to getting people who don’t want to PvP out to fight. Cuz it’s not gonna happen.
Well this is going to be amusing, Tora might actually tell you who they are.
No you don’t, you have not even said why it is not a good idea, just that it is not a good idea.
Furthermore those people that you say do not want to PvP in hisec is that everyone in hisec? Or 20% of them or what? And what about those that want to fight and have something of value to go for, that they and others also war decked and of a like mind can get into a fleet and do? Cuz you have feelings they don’t exist?
They do, daily but not in tornados. I know, I do it myself on alphas.
I’ve contributed many times over this thread, many other threads and discussions. Disagreeing with people and stating why is contributing and not “defending the status quo”.
As ive said before, how can one contribute to a solution without first knowing the main issue? Because there is a very distance view between opinion in this thread about what is the actual problem.
