Why is 0.0 full of VNI ratters? Its low effort, path of least resistance with a good return.
Got a war? Path of least resistance is to not log in, not only does it garuntee no ships lost, it also costs nothing.
There are plenty of other games out there to play in the meantime.
How does tying wardec declaration to a unique structure screw new players?
The whole problem has been how to get people to stay and fight.
Providing them with a structure they can destroy to end the war ALL wars based there, does exactly that.
What data?
Letâs see it.
Yes, in fact CCP asked for feelings about the war declaration mechanic before showing the data. Player growth affects all aspects of eve and it would be nice to think in 15 years time its not been the same people logging as when eve was launched in some sick online version of the 30 years war.
This.
And CSM agreed this is top priority.
No, the whole problem is that all activity drops when wardecâd and stay depressed after. The people who tend to get wardecâd arenât the people who tend to fight back. Thatâs why these groups target them: they donât have a PvP history. They donât have indicators that theyâre going to fight back.
If someone doesnât want to PvP, providing them a structure is just saying âhereâs a way to do the thing you donât want to doâ. Well⌠why would they want to do that?
This is a totally separate issue. Right now, absent the data, youâre saying people are wrong about âwhat itâs aboutâ. So what do you think itâs about, since the CSM minutes say itâs about retention?
Um, Iâm arguing for NPC corps being a good environment for new players to be in, you are arguing against, claiming that people cannot play the game unless they are in a player corp, while you sit your whole lifetime in an NPC corp.
Yeah.
Pot/Kettle
Except, you know, for the part where they donât want to play a war and will avoid it by the same means as now.
There is no way in which you can force someone to play a game in a certain way. Itâs just a game. They will either have it their way or will not play at all.
The only âmaybe ifâ is âmaybe if CCP stopped driving players away with wardec mechanicsâ.
If all wardecs of a Corp/Alliance are facilitated through a unique structure, it means all Corps/Alliances wardecced by them just have to blow up that structure.
It finally gives them an opportunity and incentive to mobilize, join together, and hire others to destroy that structure, to end ALL wars issued from it.
Defenders finally have an option, except logging out.
NPC corps are a fine environment for new players to be in, up to a point. NPC corps donât develop. They donât let you explore your options around New Eden. Theyâre great if you never want to have any feeling of âthis is my group, and I know I can trust all the people hereâ.
Theyâre also basically begging to be awoxâd by gankers.
Taking down a structure in high security space requires more than a few ventures and more ISK than what an Orca costs.
No, its than even if they do fight theyâre doing something other than what they want to do, for what reward more than just not logging in?
Hiring others might be an option⌠if thereâs really a good way to find those people to hire. But the mercs⌠tend to be the guys doing the wardecs. Same corps.
But other than hiring other people⌠this is a voluntary activity. A game. They have other games they can play. If you donât like skydiving, someone saying âbut look! This company offers a discount, so itâs easier to do it!â isnât going make you decide âoh, well, now itâs easier to do the thing I donât want to do. Iâm in!â
All Corp/Alliances wardecced by the Corp/Alliance structure, can join together, and hire others, to wreck it and win ALL the wars for the defenders.
Ofc is a real option then.
Pay Mercs to destroy that structure.
Or join with others wardecced by that structure as owned by declaring Corp/Alliance.
Or do both.
Point is you can can go and wreck that structure, to end ALL the wars issued from it, in favor of all defenders.
The whole point is so people dont log out.
This gives them a target to hit, instead of logging out.
By the way: 1 structure for all your wars? So you only have to defend one thing, with a reinforcement timer on it so you know when you have to show up to defend? And you can toss just 1 of these up and have unlimited wars, all for the same price in structures?
I have no attachment to my NPC Corporation members. If âNo Corporationâ was an option Iâd select that too. I donât read corporation chat and I get no more or less benefit from being a member in this NPC corporation as any other. My gaming group that âusedâ to play eve now plays World Of Tanks and nobody else really wants to deal with running a corporation for the group with the way things are.
So how do you get them to do the activity they donât want to do? Thatâs the real sticking point here. âOh, but this way they can fight back!â
How do you get them to fight back if fighting is what they donât want to do, and what theyâre logging off to avoid?
Yes. Only one.
Yeah, give me only one thing to defend, and that one thing will be a total kill box for anyone trying to get to it, thanks.
After seeing these discussions Iâm leaning more towards Briscâs view of dropping decs all together. Those who want to fight will move to low, WH or null. Those who donât want PvP will just wait it out or quit.
This would be harsh on wardec players, but if itâs hurting player retention that much it should be considered. Something else needs to be worked out instead. Perhaps genuine piracy where criminal character have to use citadels rather than npc stations (theyâre criminals after all).
Something clearly needs to change drastically if retention numbers are that bad.