I’m still not convinced you’re capable of reading.
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Metaphoricali speaking you want to play footbal they want to play chess. You will never met in the middle. It’s the part you don’t understand, you play different kind of games but both of you play in the same sandbox. Your opinions and ideas about wardec don’t change anything, I read similiar ones for 5 years I’ve been here, they won’t change a thing. Wardec + Structures would be bigger fail that what we have now.
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This issue has persisted for long.
Now CSM and CCP finally realized it, and stated it as a priority in minutes.
Structure based wardec was brought up by Steve already years ago, and has been constantly prevalent in wardev change discussion.
How so? Let’s say you right and noone will ever show up to attack war structure. This will be exactly same situation we have now, not better, not worse.
But if at least 1% more of wardecs will lead to actual fighting - I call it a win.
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Salty.
Can be done.
It depends on the setup of the structures in terms of vulnerability, of course the defender should have priority in terms of TZ choice.
So why are you worried then, more content.
More pixels blowing up. Everything you have said so far is positive.
People will see a chance to end the war and they will have a go at it especially if a number of people try to work together and they will get better at it, because there are people who will help them.
At the moment they don’t exist, so you have no idea either.
Lazy players easy to beat.
They are not mercs, they are scammers.
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No it’s not a win if EvE would still hemorrhaging players.
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if 1% more players will enjoy PvP and will not leave EvE I will call it a win.
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How would the opportunity to moblilize, join up, hire mercs and wreck a wardec structure of an attacking corp, to end the wardecs, NOT increase retention of players that otherwise leave when wardecced?
You arent making sense.
They might the first time.
There is a wild chance they will the second time.
There is no chance they will the third time.
You are now back to the current situation except with even more abuse heaped on anyone who dares speak up about how bad it is.
So it would be like 300 with current PCU? While thousands probably leaving?
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They are already leaving.
Thats why a fix is necessary.
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Players how actually taste war will lose most of fears related to EvE PVP. This is good. I don’t see any cons against war structures.
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Again you disappoint me, you might be surprised at what develops, there are players around who are up for this, and are seriously looking forward to it. There are a lot of fat lazy scammers who call themselves mercs who relied on super botting to make themselves strong, yet look how they caved against PH. it is staring you in the face.
And why it is not happening now? Why all those wadecc corp just hire mercs? You just add more variables to equation that has the same result : they don’t want to pvp.
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Of course not. Which is why we need a solution that doesn’t involve people to deciding to suddenly start PvPing.
We can talk about re-balancing wars until we are blue in the face. What changes advantage who, or what risks and costs should come with them, and what is more likely to produce interesting fights.
None of that matters to addressing the problem inducing such panic in some of the CSM. It is the fact that a large number of players just won’t participate and just log out. It’s not like we can’t come up with solutions that target those players.
I have no doubt there there is some combination of war structures and related mechanics that would induce you and a few of the other braver highseccers to try go after the wardeccers, at least maybe the first time. But that won’t help the vast majority of players who won’t undock to fight a battle-hardened mercenary group no matter what. There is no point spending the limited development resources on building or revamping such a niche system that only a few players are going to use, at least until the broader “carebear problem” is dealt with and there is some way for them to play the game in a war-free way as a group.
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Even less content, when the bears try and then fail. This’ll be even more detrimental to retention than it is now. False hope is a ■■■■■.
Not for player retention. The people who are willing to go out and do this stuff? They’re already doing it right now. They’re not the problem.
… hiring mercs to take on enemy structures “don’t exist”? Are you deficient?
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Facepalm…
The whole point with a wardec structure, is you can end ALL wars issued from it by destroying it.
You dont have to beat the attacker, you can finally just wreck that structure, and ALL wars from it end as victory for defender.
Because now there no clear condition, you can now pay mercs do what? Killed war structure and finished wardec is such condition. You can even negotiate deadlines on reinforcement timers. 
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Those players are already in low/null corps and already fight back against wardecs. This will change nothing in terms of activity and retention, if anything it will hurt it because anyone who speaks out will get attacked even more.
Also PH are not some bunch of 6 month old players. The average age of Horde is several years and climbing, and they can regularly field high end fleets.
Just because they are far younger than PL/Goons/BL etc doesn’t make them ‘newbies’
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Because these are typically players with zero interest in PvP. I’m not sure if anything would change that, but it would have to be something realistically achievable by the least organized players in the game.
Hence my suggestion of something based around the battle scores. Destroy enough points of the attackers and the war ends, which can be done with enough cheap t1 ships.