Noone need current toxic part of playerbase. PA desirable customers are on the other side.
Toxic being anybody that disagrees with your vision of a carebear heaven in hisec, regardless of how they play the game?
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Yes, and noone will cry when they leave Eve for good.
To be fair the same could be said of the people that gankers target, the toxicity flows both ways.
Iām leaving the ISD thing well alone, but it should be said that the ISD team canāt ban/unban people. Theyāre mods, not admins; bans can be suggested but it is down to CCP to action them.
What I find particularly galling is that people such as the person posting above you define toxic as someone not in agreement with them, thus any discussion is forestalled because they wonāt participate beyond calling people toxic and pronouncing their faith in CCPās new owners turning parts of Eve into Hello Kitty online.
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Itās a nice idea, but how does setting up a Raitaru in some remote, dead end system change anything? You could easily put 6 months of fuel on board and there would be a very slim chance of anyone that was war decād ever finding it.
If this idea would go forward and added to a future war dec system, the structure would have to maintain full power.
The best part about them is, they obviously never touched a PA game, especially not BDO. Otherwise they would know that the things they preach here is complete nonsense.
āPA wants to remove the toxic playersā - BDO only has the most toxic playerbase I have ever seen in an MMO. The stuff you can read in the world chat in BDO, would get you banned in EvE in no time at all.
āPA wants to restrict PvP and create safe areas to farmā - No such thing really exists in BDO. Granted there is a level cap which protects you from PvP, but you can easily reach that cap in a few hours. After that you are fair game for anyone and your chances to actually win a fight against the older players are 0 as the deciding factor there is not skill, tactics or even numbers. āGear Scoreā decides almost every fight.
āBDO has a lot more players than EvEā - It does have millions of accounts (BDO is ābuy once and enjoyā with Micro transactions on top.) However if you look at the population of the servers it becomes quite obvious that those numbers, do not at all represent the actual active player population.
You mean a toxic playerbase like PVP players that defend every bit of their sight what āeve isā with teeth and claws and deny every single change away from this?
I think the point is more that the defender wonāt have to deal with wars if they donāt have a structure, not necessarily that they aggressor has to. That is also a good idea I think, and may provide a target a small number of defenders might use to inflict damage on the attacker, but I expect 99% of corps to be unable or unwilling to do so.
But keeping the small, more casual corps out of wars is a good idea and defining that by structure ownership will go a long way to forcing the weakest corps from logging off for a week which is the problem everyone people seems concerned over. This solution also has the advantage is it is pretty easy to implement and still will allow most of the existing wars to continue.
The OP is right though. Iām disappointed in the blatant pandering and virtue signalling coming out of some quarters right now. Wars have needed attention for years and it is important that we address some of the issues so that all types of players can play Eve, but the way this is being handled by some of Eve influencers is so full of needless drama, it is doing more harm than good. Wars arenāt going away, and stoking up a certain type of playerās emotions by telling them this might happen is going be bad for everyone in the long run.
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Oh, agreed; but itās no excuse for some of the bile that people spew in reaction to losing their spacecanoes. Some of the stuff Iāve seen in local is outrageously OTT.
They certainly used to be able to at least temp ban from the forums and it seems clear they are still on side with gankers these days.
IIRC one of the ISD team posted that they can only recommend to admin that someone receive a ban; my memory could be faulty though. Iām not going to address anything about ISD bias though, forums aināt the place for it.
Sure, but that goes both ways. You see the exact opposite from people on the other side, where any suggestion that high sec aggression needs balance causes them to go to desperate measures to shut down the discussion. Iāve seen it first hand, I make a post stating my views and immediately get attacked. Itās happened in this very thread in fact.
Indeed it does, there are people on both sides that will shut down threads; you have to admit though, some threads do deserve to be shutdown.
I donāt worry about people attacking me for my opinions anymore, theyāre unpopular to some on both sides of the equation.
Water off a ducks back, I have much more important things to worry about.
This is truly Salvos reincarnate.
To be fair, for the most part heās not wrong.
Iām keeping out of the last part as itās a bit too Dinsdale for my taste.
I donāt agree.
Fair enough, everybody is entitled to have their own opinions. I know that people on both sides disagree with mine.
I might disagree with the some of the methods applied by a minority, but by no means am I attempting to paint all gankers with as broad a brush as some would; Iām all in favour of their overall goals, besides some of the stuff that comes out of it is epicly funny, regardless of how it was created.
I must admit to not being above using some questionable methods when the need arises though, a good dogpile is a good dogpile after all; which is a tad hypocritical of me. 
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Iām enjoying your tears. Iām just gonna keep ganking and you wonāt stop me. Also, why donāt you have ISDās protecting you?
*sips water*
Funny how toxic people never see their own toxicity, and worse how good people just keep enabling them so they can flourish. Always remember guys, for him youāre nothing but tools. Not actual humans, just tools.
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I reckon I sit on both ends of this scale, because itās purely subjective.
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TBH neither of us has any grounds to be claiming a moral high ground here, both of us partook in the train crash that was a recent CSM thread and led to a player totally losing his excrement and quitting with allegations of corruption and collusion within CCP.
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Many of us were asking legitimate questions, and for sure he pretty much destroyed many other threads, including his own, with his pedantry.
We certainly helped destroy his CSM thread though, by feeding his eventual implosion with fuel.
As for Alpha status, Iāve been that since December, I donāt get enough time to form an opinion of the current state of the game; Iām lucky to get 2 hours a week in.
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In what ways are high sec wardecs a good thing? serious question
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