The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out

In the past they were used by people who wanted to drive out competition. And griefing, but that’s always existing. Everywhere. Even in WoW. Can only ban post facto.

Wardecs were below five million ISK back in the days, which meant literally everyone could just do them, as they were a form of content. The exact reason why they got nerfed heavily is unknown, but most people agree that it was the exaggerated whining of a few people. Note: Back then we did not actually have the situation like it is today, and it is noteworthy to point out (and never forget) that CCP actually caused the current situation all by themselves.

Nowadays wars only seem to occasionally bring actual content. There’s people like @Noragen_Neirfallas who do a really great work with people, getting them to fight or - even more importantly - teaching them how to fight/defend themselves… but well, guys like him are a rare. Also not to forget @Kannibal_Kane, though no idea if he really went back to hiatus. He was a good guy, the best solo war deccer to ever haunt New Eden.

So wars create content and allow people to get rid of competition. They also allow for griefing, not going to deny that. It’s also a form of content, but when the other side just stops playing then that’s a rather one sided affair. I’m part of the HTFU crowd, in a sense, and I’ve learned to understand that there’s simply no way around those who don’t want to fight. They need their own mechanics, but they should not be dictating the game’s direction with their inability to survive in harsh environments. That’s a very un-human way of existing.

And, of course, not to forget that highsec wars are the only way of getting rid of citadel spam, which would just get much worse if they decided to can them without a replacement.

Oh, and the last one … let’s not forget the hub humping degenerates ( © @Ralph_King-Griffin ) who have no balls, no skills, no real life, no dignity, no actual pride, no self respect and no way of ever physically reproducing. They’re something good only (only!) in the sense that everyone agrees that these kind of players are a cancer. That’s good! I guess.

That was pretty much the whole answer to your question. Wars have their good parts, but the mechanic is so broken that they get heavily overshadowed … and by overshadowed I mean a solar eclipse by ■■■■■■■ jupiter which fell out of his orbit, headed straight for earth and now sits in line-of-sight between earth and sun, inevitably crashing into and destroying our planet.

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It’s totally simple…

PVP got their asses powdered for 15 years now and now,the moment it starts to end they are simply showing a mare-biting behavior in their desperate try to slow down the inevitable.

Will not work…anti pvp changes will come because they HAVE to(at least in high).

A change to a more mainstreamlike eve is at hand and the desperate fanboys don’t want it and try to avoid it at all cost.

This is more a dogmatic thing than pure logic or in any other form reasonable…they just don’t want it like a child in a grocery store that just can’t stand the fact that mummy is NOT buying the candy it wants.

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Wardecs are fine, players are not. It’s always the same pattern with players. Some have a problem and their first thought is wanting to remove the mechanic, because they simply don’t have the ability to back off and to swallow their pride. Nope, they feel their ego to be superior to the game and so the game needs to adjust to them. They are idiots.

It’s often just an unwillingness to even think about a problem. It’s the saddest mindset any player can bring to a game and it should never find support. Not when we want to play a good game. A good game doesn’t come from stubbornness, denial, ignorance, idiocy or a lack of constructiveness.

The game is now more than 15 years old. It’s a classic at this age and more than just a game. It’s an institution of a game with outside players, who never even played it, talk about it in awe and with respect. Instead of complaining about how wardecs need to be removed do players need to respect the ways of the game and by asking how they can become better at it.

There are many ways how one can avoid wardecs, but besides this have players suggested the introduction of social corporations as an additional form of team building. Only this is then a constructive and respectful way to address the issue, by being smart, and offering more choices and adding a new option.

We have long past the point where 10 out of 10 people, who come to the forum only to demand the removal of a mechanic, are guaranteed to be wrong.

You mean one corp forcing another to create another one is kind of a solution?

No…the REAL solution would be the first corp NOT BEEING ABLE to annoy the second…

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This means to you that changes are not needed because of its age…?

Well this is called standstill and this is -in no way- good for a game…all those players leaving are more than evidence enough that changes have to come…because the mmog world moves on.

You may not like it,but you can’t stop the world from turning…

But here are even those that say that eve rather should die than to be changed…well than may it be so…

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Public Service Announcement!

Balos’ only apparent interest appears to be attempting making people feel bad. He continuously tries to make people feel disheartened about what’s going on, trying to make them give up and submitting to the “will” of CCP or PA, as if they had a say. In his mind, at least.

It’s a thread going throughout literally all of his posts. Feel free to check it yourselves.

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Right … if you kill the messenger you do not have to take note of the message…too simple even for you i think…

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Just keep posting so I’ll eventually find out which one of the cancerous guys you actually are. I’m on to you already. I’m not stopping you, but I am absolutely in the right pointing out your seriously bad attempts at influencing people.

Your agenda is noted, you are not really good at it and that’s all there is to say about this.

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He is a player, who cannot handle a game greater than himself.

The truth is in no way “good” or “bad” it’s simply the truth…there’s only one…

That he is too, yes.

Okay, now I’m convinced you’re just trolling.

And you are to small to even think about the fact that changes are needed.

No i don’t…you are just to stucked in the glorious “15 years of eve” that you aren’t willing to see what has to come

He’s not trolling. It’s like role playing, but not role playing. He thinks he’s the good guy on some sort of mission. Now let’s just keep this thread going, please. He’d not admit to anything anyway and we should encourage him to keep posting.

15 years of eve? I only just joined. And I see what it is right now.

But it seems you can see into the future, please tell us more!

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As i said…kill the messenger…nice try…will not work…

See? He thinks he’s on some sort of mission. There’s sadly no emoji for spinning the finger next to the temple.

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No. Only you are too small for it. You choose to complain instead of standing up for yourself and to make the game work for you. You don’t want to play this game, you want a different one.

You fail at playing a 15-year old game.

You think this could have something to do with you playing it for just 82 days?

And you fail because you need to play 15 years old game to boost your ego…

pity