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Same applies as per player corp rules.

Same applies as per player corp rules.

Same applies as per player corp rules.

Same applies as per player corp rules. (If the Alliance has structures, you are no longer Civilian status)

Same applies as per player corp rules.

Same applies as per player corp rules.

Same applies as per player corp rules.

Same applies as per player corp rules.

They place a structure.

Same applies as per NPC corp rules.

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I can answer that question very easily, I have been in hisec quite often and for extended periods, and I saw many that wanted to fight. I am looking for the balance to be such so that it will be possible to develop that attitude. Because if CCP does go in the direction I have suggested I will be coming back to hisec to do all that I can to make it happen.

And I have no fear about nailing my flag to that mast. But while the war deckers have no consequences, players fighting back is just not going to happen to any meaningful way. Just log off for the week and perhaps longer.

So for me it is put my money where my mouth is.

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As stated already, wardecs for Civilian corps would be consensual. They could recieve 100 wardecs and choose to be immune to all but 1, that one could be from a similar sized corp, similar military power etc. and they might just decide that now is the time they want to fight.

If they get obliterated, fine, step back. If they get a few wins, who knows what happens.

This is how it would work out in this ridiculous idea.

Make Civilian Corp that is unwardeccable, but otherwise identical to a Player Corp.

Then just flag that Civilian Corp to have (preferential) access and rates to an alt or other main Corps structures.

BOOM.

Unwardeccable Player Corp, that doesnt need a structure, cos it can just use an alt or mother corps ones.

This is utterly retarded.

Did you think we wouldnt see through this?

Then on that note, CCP really need to make sorting wardecs a matter of priority.

It’s just a shame they didn’t take the same approach with the ECM changes :wink:

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What is different than being in an NPC corp and using a structure?

Then just be in a NPC Corp.

I think you’ve lost sight of the topic here and just pushing your own agenda.

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Tbh, thats what you are doing.

Do you deny it would just result in Civilian Corps that are identical to Player Corps, except they are unwardeccable, and instead use the structures of alt Corps and mother Corps that flag them for access and prefered rates?

Or did you just not yet comprehend that obvious result?

We can stot posting now. CCP doesnt even once commented on that war issue in thread. The ideas are already posted, they are nothing new, and our bickering will not change anything.

I was the one campaigning yesterday that NPC corps are great for players, the feedback from others in this thread was that THEY DON’T WANT TO BE IN NPC CORPS as they have no attachment to them.
You can keep banging the same drum no one wants to hear or try a different tune that the people in question like better.

Oh and please, look at the Citadels in Hi-Sec already, most of them are already 1 man corps.

Everyone has an agenda, I just pointed out above what my one was. I know you replied to another player.

If it is indeed just the newer players then CCP will create a social corp and done, they will say HTFU to the older players who will continue to not log in and so on.

The last time I saw a player complain about blanket war decs in hisec on the forums I told him to pay for his subs on a monthly basis, as soon as he got the war dec cancel his sub, give war dec as reason, wait for a month, then sub and start doing stuff, get war dec, rinse and repeat. There you go, and that will be called bad advice by some, except it ain’t…

Why do you think they are one man corps?

Let me tell you more about what will happen in addition to the above which you ignored.

NS entities already have vast networks of alt corps and untold amounts of associated structures all along their pipelines between NS and HS, as well as in other HS regions where they operate alts and alt corps.

If what you propose as “Civilian Corps” happens, all non-combat alts they have will join daughter Civilian Corps,be unwardeccable with all other advantages of a Player Corp, and have preferential access to their mother Corps structures, whereas newer and smaller entities as Civlian Corps will not be able to, because they lack the resources and connections.

This would be disastrous for HS.

Did you not think about this, or are you just pushing an agenda?

How would it be disastrous, what would different than it is now.

Wardecs on these large entities are not causing low retention, so why push this agenda?

Then why change it as you propose?

You say it would make no difference, then why do it.

Ill tell you why.
You are trying to hide that it would make a HUGE difference for NS alts in HS.
Meanwhile, it just makes actual HS corps even more vulnerable as they cant compete with the NS Civilian Corps with access to a huge web of preferred treatment alt corp structures.

Prove this web of alt corp structures exists already.
Prove they don’t have preferential access already if it does exist.
Prove that there is any advantage those null alts would have in a Civilian corp over an Npc corp. (I can already see one disadvantage even).

So yeah… I think you need to step back from whatever you are on… this is not a conspiracy.

For the casual players who are dropping the game at the sight of aggression. Player retention.

Welcome to wardec holding corps, which have members jump around as they find targets.

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