The CSM 13 Winter Summit Minutes are out

Nothing wrong with having a vested self-interest.

But it starts to stink when you deny it when its laid out clear as day for all to see.

Yes, this is an issue now and will be an issue with what I suggested, but losing that ability to war dec someone that you have an in game conflict with is kinda meh to me.

Rivalry and ego conflicts are often what makes it more fun and intense. And losing that is a bit sad in a way.

What would be a solution to the corp jumping, PIRAT used that eject from ship change corp then get back in ship on me once to snag a Talos, and I used it to advise someone how to save their JF in a war dec by Vendetta. It is something that has to be looked at.

If Rivalry and Ego are involved, chances are you might qualify for the consensual part of Wardecs. The fun can still be there.

What makes you think they are casual?

NS alt Corps in HS will benefit far more than “casuals” in HS Corps, when the NS alt Civilian Corps can access their alt/mother Corp structures, but the casual HS Civilian Corps cant, and get muscled out of the market.

In other words, NS can form alt HS Civilian Corps, and either recruit more, or destroy any structure that would work with legit HS “casual” Civilian Corps for access to them.

And what is to stop wardeccers scouting out what Citadels these NS alts are using and Wardec those?
Seems like all the fun is still there, if you look for it.

Why would HS Civilian Corps that are war averse do that?

The Civilian Corp concept fails, due to Malcanis’ Law.

It is not always mutual…

The wardeccers would…why would a Civilian corp care what NS entities are doing.

Read my posts.
This was explained.

It’s only “clear” because you are drinking the koolaid at this point. I have no null agenda. And any perceived benefit you believe this gives null… if it actually is to their benefit they already are doing this.
The Civilian corp as we’ve put it forward is not going to give them anything they cant do now. And really they aren’t hiding this web of high sec structures in any alt corp. If they have any it’s up front like horde in perimeter.

Then why do it.

Lets apply Malcanis’ Law to the Civilian Corp.

Whom will it benefit more?
The larger, rich established established Corps, or new, casual, poor and weak Corps?

It doesn’t matter, NS alts are already miles ahead, when you can multibox Rorq mine a moon in an hour for 30 bill as opposed to the 1 HS miner solo mining a belt for 9 mill an hour.
I don’t think we are trying to balance NS and HS here, are we?

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What prevents NS entities setting up unwardeccable HS Civilian Corps that can use their alt corps structures, from forcing out “legit” HS Civilian Corp, as the NS alt Civilian Corps provide better access and lower rates of cost?

How can a legit HS “Civilian Corp” compete with a NS based alt “Civilian Corp” that has access to untold structures at excellent low rates?

Nobody will even be able to wardec that NS based alt Civilian Corp, cos its unwardeccable.

Blow up the Citadel they are using. They drop another, blow that up too, endless fun.

Why do you think Civilian Corps want to compete with large NS entities, they just want to play the game.

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The old rich corps can already do everything. There is nothing they can abuse this idea with. They already have a shared identity, they get no other benefits from this they dont already have.

The point of this idea is literally to allow people to create a shared identity without being wardecced by someone bored and looking for easy kills.

And none of your theories on how it “could be abused” hold water because those abuses already exist at present. The only thing that doesn’t exist is the easy shared identity.

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We already have established these people dont PvP.

They cant compete if NS can form unwardeccable Civilian Corps in HS.
They also cant compete economically, as they dont have access to structures that give them low rates.

Why would they stay in a legit HS Civilian Corp, when they can instead join the NS based alt Civilian Corp with huge access to structures, excellent rates, and defense via proxy from the NS entities combat wing.

Thats what I’m saying.
Think.

Civilian Corps wouldn’t be the ones blowing it up anyway because
A: they cant wardec other corps.
B: that’s not what they want from the game, yet.

The fun is for the others who do want combat, they are free to take down these Alt Citadels if they so please, through wardecs.

Again, what is better economically, logging off and not playing for weeks, maybe not returning, or paying a few more Isk on Citadel services but continuing on playing to your hearts content.

/facepalm…

Do you know Malcanis’ Law?

Yeah, but this is about retaining players due to wardecs.
NS can already do what you are trumpeting from NPC corps. They gain no more than they do already, this just allows others to play and keep playing.

Do you know that law doesn’t apply to every single idea…
Apparently not.
You are just throwing around words trying to make something stick now.

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