Find a way to get rid of bots, for starters…
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That’s a good one but bots would just be replaced by AFKers and wouldn’t really effect things too much I’d say…
It’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about… CCP make more money if you plex your account than if you pay cash monies… cause someone had to pay cash money for the PLEX for it to be on the market for you to buy with isk… see how that works now?
Regards,
Cypr3ss.
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You can’t AFK a 30+ ice mining ship operation. Get rid of the bots…
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If that’s their only option then they will figure out a way…
Sure.
#1, Remove Null ores from Low sec and high sec moons and make ores regionally available and not universally available like now. Will make it impossible to mine all types of ores in the same region and removes AFK farmable null ores from high and low sec space.
#2, Increase working ISK sinks. Blackout was a nice attempt to increase risk and sink Isk at the same time but it was poorly implemented. Could work in tandem with upwell structures tied to the system.
#3, Increase success rate in dealing with botters farming Isk. The VNI nef and triglavian patrols worked for a while but they have adapted again.
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Yes, the Trig patrols have somewhat made a dent in high sec, but only in ore belts. The Trigs don’t come to Ice Anoms, not that I’ve seen anyway.
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…all do not address the core issue…a glut of ore, period.
You can’t just move it around…it will still be mined…
Sinks don’t effect that issue…
Botters are good but CCP has failed at that and given up it seems…
What do you mean “I was wrong”? I never said it didnt need a second account for cynos. But the point is, you dont NEED a cyno.
Compare 2 scenarios.
You are in a ship. Suddenly a ship decloaks and drops a bubble.
If you are in an orca, youre screwed. You can try to warp off one of your alt accounts and switch to a cyno ship, but for the most part, youll be dead by the time your alt cyno lands on grid.
If youre in a Rorqual, youre okay. 5 minute PANIC plus capital-level sheild repair.
Much more safer in a rorqual.
I never said anything about singular roles.
A rorqual can still mine while providing boosts. Its not like it can ONLY do boosts OR mine. What will happen, is people will use rorquals to mine the larger asteroids, while using hulks to mine the smaller ones. And thats how it was always intended to be.
Except that moons dont spawn every day.
Thats how it currently is, and how it should always be. You need a good support fleet to use rorquals, which is the whole point of the industrial core.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Mining as a casual miner, in a rorqual?
If youre going to put in the isk and skills to fly a rorqual, youre not going to be casually mining in it.
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Interesting point. Will think about it thanks.
Well you have to keep in mind why ore is mined. To some its ISK yes, of course. But the point of ore is for industry to build all the ships and items we use for everything else in the game. If ore is regionally available then industrials will not be able to get all the minerals they need easily in the same region. They would have to import it at high cost instead. That in itself will rise the value of goods like ships etc increasing their prices, sinking more Isk. It will also give more incentive for conflict in Null.
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Rorq is the most casual friendly mining ship there is. How? Because you do not have to pay constant attention to it. You dont need to move ore constantly from an ore hold to a container or a fleet hangar like when you use a Hulk or Covetor. You dont have to worry about the hold filling up in short order. All you need is the screen running to respond to other blues or see intel channels/local and voice comms on then you can watch a movie or whatever on a second screen at the same time. Its simply less micromanagement.
No, moons do not spawn every day. You control when they spawn. So you stagger them. Make 4 week+ spawns staggered to come out one after the other. There is moons that have no special moon ore just regular null ore. These were seen as useless before. Crafty alliances will socialise these moons and creating long pull cycles where the alliance pays for the fuel and nobody looses out on rent if all isnt mined. This to give their miners content to replace the removal of anomalies as an option.
No you dont need a support fleet to run rorquals. You just need a cyno on grid by the rorqual pilots second account and enough bodies on Discord to drop what they are doing and respond to the “save the rorq!” ping if it happens. And no that isnt a standing “support fleet”. And yes you NEED a cyno. Because there is no decent alliance out there who will save any stupid rorqual pilot that goes to field without one and gets himself whaled. Its an infraction to go to field without a cyno and most decent alliances have this written in charter.
Have you looked at the screenshot i pasted above of the colossal anomaly? The largest rocks on that screenshot takes a rorqual 1 minute to mine out. Industry core runs for 300 seconds (5 minutes) where you are stuck in place. Thats 4 minutes of not mining any ore. Nobody will use a rorq like that when they can bring an Orca for boosts that can warp around freely and be perma aligned.
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Gee, it has been a while but are those volumes less than a single cycle on a exhumer? It looks like it.
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So youre saying that AFK mining with a retreiver in hisec, and going to take a leak or cooking dinner, is less casual than constantly having to constantly watch the screen and pay attention while mining in a rorqual?
Do you know what the definition of Casual, is?
Sure.
So which do you think will give you more ore, and therefore more minerals?
Ore fields that spawn every 4 hours, every day?
Or moons that spawn once every 4 weeks?
Sure. I never made a distinction between an online support fleet and an offline one.
The question, and the point is, can you do the same with an Orca? Will you survive as long in an orca if you are caught, for a support fleet to come? Which lasts longer and will survive longer, therefore increasing the chances of a support fleet coming to your aid?
Have you looked at the original screenshot by the OP? Arkonors have tons of ore. You can mine those with the rorqual, and use Hulks for the others. Which is what ive already said, multiple times now.
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Anoms now a 1 player experience? :3
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No different than ore belts. If you see someone with an Orca and some exhumers in an ore belt, you might as well move on to the next one because you aren’t going to get anything.
It usually is. If you see 20 rorquals in an anom, they probably belong to 1 player.
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Business strategy: increase the cost of items by increasing the cost to manufacture - people have to pay more isk for stuff - people can’t individually earn that isk anymore - people buy plex and sell for isk.
Yep. CCP made making ISK way too damn easy and now an adjustment has to be made.
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