this was only the first minor change. the next published one is going to reduce the ore amounts in all anoms by 85%
I agree, itās at the point where you can make 1 bil in a morning of playingā¦ lol
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This again shows that you have no idea how moons or mining work. You may have to change a lot of your opinions in this thread once you do.
Moons are always spawned. They are persistent entities. Anomalies are not persistent. The Minable ore on moons are controlled by the player owned station placed in orbit of the moon. Usually an Athanor. The owner of this athanor sets a timer in it for how long it should take for the athanor to pull the rock from the moon surface up to the athanor where it will be detonated into a minable field. The longer time you give the athanor the larger the rock it pulls from the moon = the larger the size of the minable asteroids left when its blown up. So its 100% under player control. The asteroid field stays on field for next to the athanor for 2 days. You can add rigs to the athanor to extend this to 4 days. The athanor costs fuel to run thats it. The nerfed rocks in the screenshots above held at most 10k m3 ore. A rock in a mere 4 week pull of moon rocks holds hundreds of thousands of m3 in a single rock. A field contain many rocks. This is more normal pre nerf m3 values.
So what do you think happens when you own more than one moon? Lets say you own 4 moons and you set them all at 4 week pull cycles. Then you can stagger them so you have one popp every tuesday every week for example. Own more moons? You cover more days. Alliances owning space holds MANY moons. So yes Staggering moons means you have 100% constant supply to moon ore. Every day.
Your reference to the original screenshot is a strawman. The arkonor there is barely one cycle in a rorqual. Thats about 5 minutes. A 1 week pull on a moon has more than that.
Casual in eve to me, and many with me, is based on how much time and focus you give to the game. What kind of ships you fly or how much they cost have nothing to do with it as you can just open your wallet and plex for ISK and buy whatever ship you want whenever.
You can read more on how moon mining actually work, or mining for that matter, here https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Moon_mining
This is what creates the minable ore at a moon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thMiRfJviJs
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I think that when people talk about mining, particularly āafkā mining, they are talking about hi sec mining. There is no such think as āafkā mining in null-sec. Rats will kill you if you āafkā to go and pee. Let alont WH pvpers.
I donāt think hi-sec dwellers understand how we in null are affected, as they also do not understand WH mechanics and how that has been upped so many times and its impact in null, or how moon mining actually works - especially if you own the moon.
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When you bring better arguments to support your claim, I will.
Until then, well, bad arguments wont convince anyone.
WRONG.
Do you not understand how Nullsec works? Ore anomalies spawn persistently, like clockwork.
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Asteroids_and_ore#Ore_Prospecting_Arrays
I dont understand how you are this stupid.
Lets say you have 4 moons. So you have 4 times a month that you get moon ore.
You have 10 Rorquals. You empty out a moon ore field in 3 days. Because, youre a casual player. For most players, it will only take a day.
4 x 3 = 12 days.
30 days in a month.
30 =/= 12.
Wow, constant supply every day!
Actually, no.
The arkonor has 132,000 M3.
Rorquals can, at max 5 drones and T2 industrial, can pull in 225 M3 a second for all their drones(sorry my previous calculation was wrong, i checked the github page again, its 225.03 per second for max drones).
That is 9 minutes worth of mining.
Drone travel will most likely increase that to 10, 11 minutes. 2 cycles.
So you are wrong again.
Thats not what i asked.
I never asked which cost more, or which ship you fly. I will ask again.
So youre saying that AFK mining with a retreiver in hisec, and going to take a leak or cooking dinner, is less casual than constantly having to constantly watch the screen and pay attention while mining in a rorqual?
Since your definition of casual is āHow much focus you give to the gameā, AFK retreiver mining requires far less focus than constantly having to look out in local or on grid if you have a cloaky camper.
Thanks for proving me right.
Thanks, I already know more about mining, and mining in nullsec, than you do.
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Im in null in a large alliance and I do not know 1 person with more than 3 rorqs.
Our neighbors I know 1 guy with 5 rorqs. That all died to wh pvpers. He does not play anymore so he does not count.
Not any moreā¦
Next ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā Incoming ā¦ sorry, but EVE is dying
So what is a ābasicā ore to CCP??
Anybody know?
No Idea. I mean, they got rid of Crok and now have it replaced with Kernite. Maybe Kernite is āgreatā and Crokite is ābasicā? Wait, that doesnāt make any sense at all. Damn - now I donāt have any idea 
me neither, the way i read it is that any ore found in belts normally (that means all of it outside of trig sites and ice) is basic and will be removedā¦
So my questioning (ignored by a dev himself in the feedback thread) about how this changes in the future for every refinery owner on a moon is something im highly curious about.
Nigh not just curios, I have clients i purchase huge amounts of ore from, if athnors only produced ubiquitous and other moongoo with that upcoming changeā¦i see dark tidings forthcoming for players.
im taking it as any ore that can be compressed as basic. so the only ore the moons will drop is the moon goo like zeolite
Which would, reasonably, make zero sense. How many ships need Tritanium, Pyerite etc and how many are constructed with Silicates, Hydrocarbons or Cobalt?
Seriously now - taking out all Veld and Spod from ānormalā NS belts wasnāt nice but ok sure Iāll live with that. Now the Crokite has gone and been replaced with Kernite but last time I looked Crokite had Nox & Zydrine but Kernite doesnāt have these. How then is this a āreplacementā?
Now the moons will have no āoreā either? Wtf?
I have also been told (but have no verification ofc) that in this āshortage stageā the ice is next for the hammer. Ermā¦ how we gonna build ships/fuel stations/doā¦ anything? Yes, the markets are about to spike in price massively but that is very short term cos once there is no ore or minerals the price offered will mean nothing.
Youāre dumb. Why even post any more?
āIām going to make a killingā. In the short-term yes but as you clearly have no idea of what ālong termā means I guessā¦ great? Well done? Ermā¦
I think your tinfoil hat may have a tear in itā¦
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Iām not surprised anymore honestly
Rorquals mine too much (in delve)
Ccp changes everything about the game except rorquals.
ā¦ seriously guys, does it hurt your pride so much to just reverse/change the rorqual to a simple support ship?
All these changes is nothing that we asked, plus theyāll change nothing when youāre done
All this asideā¦ what does " current stockpiles in inventory" mean?.. are they gonna empty our inventories of minerals/ore?
Do you know how much you have to invest to be viable make 1b/h with rorqs?