Everyone I ever mentioned eve to didn’t know what it was so go figure the marketing is not visible enough.
Only if things like harvestable resources are infinite. Even if they deplete for a period of time and then reform/grow back there will likely be competition for resources which in turn makes it PvP in a broad sense.
The latter definition is a narrow definition and in some games it applies. EVE is an open classless game where you can do whatever you want whenever you want and resources are, at any given point in them inelastically supplied (i.e. they are fixed).
Part of this is made explicitly on page 6 (the first page of the FAQ that actually discusses the game),
You are not restricted by predefined character classes or professions. You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, roam the spacelanes as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration, focus on research and manufacturing, or perform increasingly profitable missions for NPC (non-player controlled) agents. What you choose to do day by day is up to you. You can play alone, form a corporation (equivalent to a clan or guild) with a group of friends or seek entrance to any of the large player-run corporations and alliances which are already established.
And yes, it isn’t till 11 pages into the FAQ that PvP is discussed…after an introduction to the game, a discussion of one’s character in the section called Basic EVE Gameplay. Page 15 really laws out some key points about the game. Things like,
5.1 HOW DO I KNOW WHICH SOLAR SYSTEMS ARE SAFE TO FLY THROUGH?
In EVE Online it’s more a question of which systems are safer to fly through.
In other word…no system is “safe” in the sense you cannot be attacked.
The systems from 0.4 to 0.1 are known as ‘low-sec’ space and there is little protection there for pilots, although there will be some protection from unauthorized attack at a gate or station from the faction sentry guns. Anyone venturing into these systems is on their own and will have to rely on their wits, experience, and their allies to survive.
Seems pretty straight forward.
5.2 WHO IS CONCORD AND WHAT ROLE DO THEY PERFORM?
CONCORD can be considered to be the ‘space police’ who patrol the higher security areas of New Eden. They take action against those who attack others without justification and will hunt such miscreants down and destroy them without mercy.
Wat? CONCORD take action against “those who attack others without justification”. I suppose one could interpret this to mean NPCs. But it is followed by this,
5.3 SOME PLAYER JUST SHOT ME; IS THAT ALLOWED?
In EVE Online, any player may attack any other player if they choose to, no matter where they happen to be.
So on the very first page of basic game play CCP tells those who read the FAQ that the game is one where no player is safe from attack by any other player anywhere in the game.
But I suspect that it is as @Jonah_Gravenstein has noted, most new players do not read this document.
Thats again what I am saying, adverts achieve little.
Though I fail to see how their adverising is anymore lies than any other.
The adverts are not so much lies… as incapable of displaying the true scope of what you might be in for, and therefor focusing on certain aspects of it in an attempt to generate interest.
If CCP put out an advertisement that encompassed all of EvE… it would be an infomercial… glorious… and I would like to see that.
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You have a fundamentally different view of how social games work and I think it’s one that makes it difficult to enjoy games like this.
Attacking someone in EVE is not an attack on that person. It isn’t bad behavior in a real life sense, it isn’t anti-social, it’s simply playing the game. I’m not saying “what you do doesn’t matter since it’s all a game”, I’m saying that what you think is bad behavior is simply partaking in the game’s intended gameplay. If I attack you, it’s not because of some hidden desire for anti-social behavior - if I wanted those sorts of kicks, which I don’t, it wouldn’t work, because it quite simply would not register as an attack on the other person to me.
It’s a game where a significant part involves PVP - sometimes winning, sometimes losing. You can be an asshat to people, certainly, and there’s plenty of those, but PVP does not make you one. If I kill you in game, or you kill me, there’s no reason for me to have any ill will towards you. We might shoot spaceship lasers at each other, but as far as my real relations to the person on the other side of the screen, I consider that a blank slate, and they get the same basic respect any stranger gets. In my recent experience, few people have actually been rude in PVP situations whether they’ve been winning or losing. Instead, I’ve had a few pleasant chats, and someone I know ended up flying with the guy who ganked him.
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For someone who uses so many words, it would be great if you understood any of them. Yes, in this “broad sense” it makes every game “PvP” even Pacman. Because there is a high score that you are competing against other players to be at the top of. But no one in their right mind would say Pacman is a PvP game. Because in normal language usage “PvP” does not mean “every situation where one player competes against another.”
Most other MMOs have “PvP areas” or the like, even if there are fights for resources this is not called “PvP” in other games. Personally, I don’t know of any other game where the term PvP is applied to anything other than combat. (If anyone knows one feel free to share, but I don’t.)
I haven’t argued anything about what EvE is. the question is about what new players think EvE is and what CCP is telling new players EvE is.
Of course they aren’t. Spend two min in Rookie Help and you will see that many new players can’t even be bothered to read one paragraph for a mission or tutorial, of course most of them didn’t read this.
Adverts are getting people (who hadn’t heard of EvE before) to sign up, because they can “play for free” and can be a happy miner.
Never compared them to any other adverts (all are lies, right).
On this thread everyone is acting like every newbro should know everything about how EvE PvP works or they are broken or retarded. All I’m saying is that not everyone will know that, and that CCP is directly misinforming the new player base.
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No, but tbh it doesnt take long to say “Its like prison in here. So with that in mind enjoy”, either.
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Of course not. But the adverts don’t say that, and so many newbros don’t know that, they get butthurt, and then they shitpost things like how to make EvE “better.” And then the forum goons jump all over them for not knowing something they weren’t told (or were even told the opposite of by the game developers).
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I dont really have sympathy for people who dont do any research, especially when the game is free to try for as long as you like
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People like that are the reason EA produces shiny tripe variations on a theme.
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I don’t care what people call it, if PvP is players competing for resources in a game, then it is PvP. CCP clearly sees it this way. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.
Ignorance is not a very strong argument.
When I started I had done some minimal reading and actually expected to be shot as soon as I undocked (in a rookie system). It wasn’t any in depth research or anything either (other wise I’d probably have found out that shooting noobs in rookie systems is seriously frowned upon).
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There is no logic to that statement.
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It wasn’t argumentum ad populum. It was a reference to theory of other mind. And if that concept sounds unfamiliar, you might know it by the more popular term for it: empathy.
You seem not to understand that some people do not understand the things you understand.
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I agree with the OP and that was all I needed to see. No reason to read the rest of the thread since I don’t want to see all the fail anti-OP replies singing the same old song about how this game is suppose to be played along with all the other sarcastic troll remarks that go with it.
And no I won’t quit even though I rarely log into the game anymore. I will continue training up my Omega character until the servers are shut down so I can say:
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This ^
" Furthermore, as we mentioned previously, once you
enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form
of PvP since this is the core game concept. In the asteroid field you’re
competing with other pilots to obtain resources; you may also have to
defend against ore thieves. On the market you battle for control of the
economy in certain areas; for the supply and demand of your products
versus other aspiring tycoons. On the battlefield you may fight for glory,
for money, or for the right to rule whole areas of space. As always in EVE,
it’s your choice."
One of the biggest problems is this ^^
It’s as if some players once read this and aren’t willing to ever accept that there’s a differing view, not only that but anyone having a differing view HAS to be wrong, every single time, and arguing with them has always been, and will always be pointless.
Heck, the next thing they’ll be saying is that going to the local butchers is a form of pvp because we’re competing for the best looking piece of steak ; )
One word springs to mind…
Pedantics.
In over 30 years of gaming I have never looked on anything beyond the traditional view of pvp, as pvp.
Resource gathering, manufacturing, exploration etc in any game has never crossed my mind as pvp, it never will regardless of that stupid paragraph from CCP which some players have taken to heart.
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Which, apart from lobbying for locked single player instances, is what?
Then clearly you do them in a bubble.
Do you explore in a crowded system? Do you expect to get scanned down and attacked at a high value site? DO you expect to get ambushed because you are carrying a high vlaue cargo?
WHat other players do and their affect on you getting your prize or losing your ship/isk is what the game is all about. Remove it and why play this instead of the X series?
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Yes, I know, you have your own private language, and words only have whatever meaning you choose to give them at the time, and actual word meanings don’t matter to you.
Not if the argument is about what the population thinks. Seriously, do you even read anything. The question or argument, isn’t if these parts of EvE are PvP or not (we agree they are), the question is if a newbro, unfamiliar with EvE would consider them “PvP”. The only argument you can use regarding how a sample member of population will see something is by considering “what people call it.”
When the argument is “newbros are ignorant” then establishing that argument is the strongest argument.
Truth has been spoken.
Thank you, my point. Also that even though that paragraph exists, that doesn’t mean every newbro comes in having read, understood, and embraced it.
Except in EvE, “PvP” means exactly how @Drago_Shouna defined it. Except in EvE, “PvP” =/= “any competition between players.”
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I know the true reason tho:
People do not no de wey of de devul…
I can shoh yu de wey
Lol you people need to lighten up a little…
flagged as an advertisement lol
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Woah, didn’t know my short comment would reach so much denying attention. Maybe I’m on to something?
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Did you just reply to yourself? 
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