The Rise and Fall in Bitcoin Value

Satoshi vision was unrealistic and people did with bitcoin, by power given to them by nature, what bitcoin is good for anyway. Pay attention to what they do, not what they say.

Freeze like in in -50% over half a year in exchanges. Too bad weather was too hot. It melted…

I discuss with you, because you seem to have issue with it, for some reason, maybe it doesnt benefit you exactly as you think it should. And I wrote that if you have issues, you can at least try to fix it, but that means some work have to be put into it from your side. The person against the system is not good solution. You have to be a part of system to change it, not to be against it.

Or maybe you just want it to be gone? Then you are revolutionary, and thats too much for me. You would have to deal with properly equipped guys.

You haven’t got a single clue what Satoshi’s vision is, don’t pretend you have. You either read it and understand it or you ignore it and say nothing about it.

Seriously, watch the news man. It’s like you’re oblivious to what’s going on and you’re just typing for attention.

Being against the system is wildly different from wanting your money to be worth the same as it was 2 months ago. I think you’ll have to accept the simplicity of things, if a certain amount of jobs exist and there are much more people than are needed to fill those jobs then we will have a difficult situation for the economy. This is just basic fact, this isn’t someone complaining because the server forgot to put BBQ suace on the burger this is real hardship that unfortunately some of us may not be able to cope with.

Stop pretending hardship doesn’t exist and everyone can just magically own a £1 Billion revenue business, life just does not work that way for everyone.

Or you buy bitcoin and pray it will be up.

The mechanisms are used in many countries, Japan tried to and the didn’t succeed mostly because of the ever expanding nature of economics, once you lose population growth, you miss out on the cycle of more customers, more businesses. Kinda like US suburban sprawl, which is in fact too expensive if it can’t keep on continuing, but then transport becomes an issue, not everything can expand continuously, people need to innovate, and we need as many people as possible in the hopes that one special guy thinks up a clever solution.

That reminds me of the series " Can’t Pay? We’ll Take It Away"

Nine o’clock, Monday, on channel 5. :wink:

It is a complicated thing. That aside you did mention BTC just follows code. Sometimes you say it will not change yet things do get added. No one except of few people really know what BTC is, others just see ‘crypto’ as a whole a good way to scam people that need to invest in something.

The people who generally are in the news promoting BTC are people under SEC investigation or with track records of fraud. But they are very slick talkers. And that’s a big issue for the adoption of crypto because they know how people feel. They can understand how people fear recession , and sugarcoat their advise, showing many statistics (just like you and me do but at least we aren’t driven by pure evil.) and trying to fool people into giving their money voluntarily.

The clear difference between a MLM and a pyramid scheme. Income would be based mostly on how many people you recruit, not how much product you sell. So in a pyramid scheme people will focus on getting people in, no matter how much they invest because the more people get in, the more BTC has value, which will be sold by the early adopters. It’s a very new thing here where people will actually work through while it’s a clear loss. At that point, generally the victims of the scam cut their losses and go to the police but by then the scammers have also given up and left the country because they think governments (except those who do not extradite) are evil and want to put them in jail for no apparent reason.

In general, most use of BTC isn’t things people would do. Like you wouldn’t download a car but i’m sure if it’s possible some people would. I do know people who downloaded and 3D printed different guns to see if it works, and it did with varying results. But 3D printed guns won’t be mainstream even though there is an opportunity in the US, where ammunition is getting scarce so … but still. :smiley:

Will the financial crisis and current wars hurt us? Probably, and a lot. Will our economical union still be there afterwards, I think so. For me, I don’t really see BTC as a solution, but I guess if you like to use it so you can pseudonymous transfer certain amounts of money internationally, why not. But it’s for a very small select group of people.

Implementations of BTC and lightning network look like a nice idea but as far as I can see, there is no real use for it and those who really would benefit from it don’t use BTC (or crypto) as currency and thus need to convert in (with loss), pay transaction fees, convert out (with loss) so unless you transfer at the right time of day (at the moment because people that see patters will sell it as a solution and then it will stop being profitable) and the recipient does the same, it’s probably easier and safer to use a bank transfer or even something like Western Union money transfer.

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There is always solution to stop the wars, and its more nukes. Thats my personal motto.

I dont have solution for crisis. Maybe live like a caveman? We would have to see.

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The solution is obvious, we all do our best and try to ride it out. BTC wasn’t designed to be a complete solution, It was designed to work in tandem with our current fiat system and it does seem to be stable if it is used properly. it can freeze value and it has a very cheap money transfer feature.

Now, money was printed and given to everyone during the pandemic because the economy was literally shut down which is abnormal and has never happened before, So record amounts of money was printed worldwide to cover people being unable to work.

The money which was printed will most likely be burned after it is paid back which should slowly start to increase the value of fiat monies.

Perhaps if there is another recession in 10 years time we will see more people buying BTC and keeping some of their money as BTC in order to freeze the value and nothing more while governments print and then subsequently burn the excess monies.

I will say this does seem like a difficult system to manage once you consider everything that’s happened over the last 2/3 years. Who would have thought almost everyone would have to stay at home for so long.


Presidente Bukele, el portador de bolsas pesadas

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In your opinion president Bukele should submit to the US and IMF and do everything they tell him. You only have this opinion because you have no idea what you are debating and you think if people just stay within whats seen as normal and then things will be okay.

Guess what…It’s 2022, and lots has changed. Ignorant people will be left to complain and type essays when they have no clue what they are talking about, while non-ignorant people will try hard to make changes and understand whats available in this technological world.

Should start picking coffee beans.

Like I said it does have it’s uses but not for a normal person. If I would take my time and look into how I can sell fast, probably I’ll buy some to play with. But the issue is selling low as I’m sure, investors have sold a lot around 30k and started buying back at 20k.

Now they wait for the new batch of investors to let the value go up, sell at 30 or 60 or 100k and cash in. Keep repeating it as it’s free money. We’ll see how it goes but if you see the up and down of the graph for no apparent reason I think it’s just a nice thing for rich to get richer. So you’ll be stuck with those "special investors who can’t run businesses without the FED or justice department asking them for explanations. Probably because they are so smart, no one can understand how good they do business. :wink:

I hope they will once go away but since they are the ones behind the advertising and getting more ‘investors’ in, this repeat of free money (for them) and horror stories of people who believe this [with this I mean what a select few BTC traders do, not the real BTC enthousiasts] isn’t some scam will continue. There is no free real estate but I think with BTC ‘enterprises’ people can get their real estate with a very complex MLM scheme.

It’s bad now but remember, the ride never ends.

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And then something happens in the economy and everyone rushes to sell their BTC because they “think” it’s volatile and the value of BTC drops way below what many brought it for.

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The whole world can see these schemes don’t work, trick me once and all that.

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Nope, and the holidays are arriving, so BTC will go up with the new and upcoming gorillionaires. Unless others dump it harder, which is also a possibility so the next days are very important. There are many sell orders, so it could go down unless many new and fresh ‘investors’ are found.

What you mean nope? Crypto losing value has had a prominent position on the news, I’m unsure how anyone could not know crypto is doing badly.

I guess if people think they can invest in something without a good understanding of economics and current affairs then the likelyhood of them losing money is higher.

This is a bit like Eve when people overload the value on their freight and then claim there’s something wrong with the mechanics when they get ganked on a gate.

“Fake investment opportunities were by far the most common type of scam. In 2021, $575 million of crypto fraud losses reported to the FTC related to investment opportunities. People reported that investment websites and apps would let them track the growth of their crypto, but the apps were fake, and when they tried to get their money out they could not.”

You see it’s the same story as cash scams, they hack the person and get them to provide passwords or they even send the money to the scammers themselves. In this case they created an app that nobody was bothered to verify as authentic. I’m certainly not going to send my life savings to an app that I’ve never seen before or not verified.

The issue is that a capable investor would already know that there are some big crypto firms that have other peoples BTC tied up in all kinds and a lot of it. So the smart move for any capable investor is not investing in BTC for the moment until these big crypto firms have been liquidated. The demand to return the investors BTC might be too strong and if it plays out this way we will see billions worth of BTC suddenly sold which will lower the value.

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Thats always happening with BTC, no idea why you think it willl be different one time. You can see the same thing with stocks.

You would have to remove ups and downs from economy and from peoples heads. Otherwise, they will get magnified in the stocks and cryptos and all assets.

First you would have to design economic model with technology that is set in stone, with renewables, and societal model with set amount of people and certain education model. Then what you use for payment is just not going to change anything, you could just have set amount of tokens for people to exchange for stuff that will be always available. That model would be impervious to crisis, but it would also be impervious to growing. Pinnacle of stability, for cost of breaking the back of research and development.

But that would be also centrally planned dystopia. People would be born into it and removed from it because they are needed or not needed, like a resource. No freedom. Only rule of balance, cruel nature of balance. People would do what the overseer wants, and overseer would be always right, if it comes to death or life also. No escape from the overseer.

You could say that people would have to believe in that system of balance, and from that stems question, what will people have to believe in future? Will there be religion or philosophy of some kind, like buddhism, replacing what we had?

How realistic it is for whole world tho. Not only in a limited region? Whats funny to me, that would have some elements of feudalism, but it would be of course more sophisticated. The institution of overseer would for example be also religious one, but no human would be present there, only an Idol, if you call it a machine, or a stone tablet, or a figurine of a bunny, it would have to get enormous power over the people technology and minds. People could pray to bunny figure in future and it would be perfectly normal.

The Bunny-King, ruling over everything. Hmmm…

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@Aedaxus Also you must understand that times are very very tough at present. We got some people in the UK who have just let their electric get turned off because they can’t afford the bill.

A 2.4 children family today in UK will be paying approx £400 to £600 electric bill per month if they use only electric, This is more than double of what we were paying just a few short months ago. The average family do not have the spare cash to invest in anything, everyone will be trying to cut back on everything. You shouldnt think people will invest to try and make profit in this climate, it’s not happening.

Due to the misunderstanding and manipulation in BTC I really don’t think many will be investing at this time.

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Here we go, it has started;

So yes, any capable investor will wait for the likes of Three Arrows and similar companies to stop holding BTC and return it to the market. Yes we will see a lower price once this is complete but that price will be stable.

Just as I said would happen, legal pressure is now being applied to these silly unsustainable companies holding £billions worth of BTC.

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