Now that you’ve said it, does that mean you’ll shut up?
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No, because you are still here, rude, loud and offensive creature. At least try to learn how to show some respect to your betters before trying to talk to me, goon.
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Prove you’re better, merc.
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Can you… not sully our name like that?
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Mercenaries come in all degrees of skill, professionalism, and sanity, Miz. Anyone who undertakes military operations for pay—as opposed to receiving a regular paycheck regardless of the execution of active military operations—is a merc.
You guys are just damned good ones. (But you are damned good at what you do.)
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Take the joke - at her expense - for what it is. That said, do keep stroking my ego, I can almost get through doors without lube and assistance these days.
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I’d offer to help lube you up, but we both know that’d just get me tasered.
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At a minimum I can distinguish common merc rabble from officers wearing issued by Caldari State insignia, which you’ve just proved unable to do.
Moreover, you are a slanderer, publically calling me a “merc”, while I don’t remember when I ever lied about anyone.
I’d say this is more than enough to prove my point.
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Do you draw a regular paycheck at a fixed rate from the militia, or do you earn pay for each and every military objective you take?
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These are good points, but they largely miss the fact that I wasn’t talking about people who criticize their own democracy being rather indecent, but that people outside the Federation criticize it so heavily when it at least tries to be something better, something more idealistic than other governments, whilst these same foreigner capsuleers often, as Empyreans, benefit from similar freedoms as a consequence of their power and status in the galaxy. People ought to keep watch on their own governments because a government is a sort of contract between citizen and leader, to respect certain rights and in return, fulfill certain duties. If either side falters in this arrangement, they are breaking their word, in a major way. However, no such contract/relationship exists between foreigners and the Fed, they have no stake in that society and never have, so you’ll excuse me if I note this and often find their comments and attitudes to be chest-beating rather than an attempt to be vigilant of the freedoms of these people they are so fond of mocking, often ethnically. I’d never apply that ‘indecent’ label to someone, even a foreigner, who pointed out hypocrisy like the Black Eagles because, like Aria or Pieter, they wanted/expected the Fed to live up to its own values. Rather I was talking about the sort of (usually capsuleer) person who tends to enjoy many of the freedoms that only the Fed expresses to be virtues to be embraced and protected by their government, as a capsuleer has many such freedoms regardless of what government they came from (and thus what rights/freedoms they had as a baseliner), and then looks down their nose at the government which aims to provide those same legal freedoms to non-capsuleers, mocking it or ascribing irrational levels of culpability to it for failing to do things most governments never even bothered to try. I just find that sort of behavior hypocritical and distasteful, much like we would rightly find the existence of an organization like the Black Eagles to be hypocritical and distasteful in a place that has such lofty values. Basically, never say one thing and then do another.
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She’s also not a regular in the State Navy. Irregulars have historically been considered as mercenaries (unless they were peasant levies or homestead militias and the like). Perhaps if we’re charitable we could call her a non-mercenary Irregular, but she’s not a member of the Navy, so she is not an ‘officer’ which is a rank amongst Regulars in the Navy and other armed forces. The State Protectorate is a militia, it is not part of the State’s military.
Whether or not she’s a mercenary or just an Irregular (the more broad term), will go down to how she is paid. But no matter how she answers that question of yours, she is not an Officer in the State’s military, she is not in the State’s military. She is an officer in an irregular militia that fights for proxy State interests. On behalf of the State, not with the State. Her inability to understand what a proxy war by militia entails probably explains both her delusions that she is a military officer, and her delusions that the Caldari State itself is at war with the Gallente Federation, which really isn’t the case.
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Foreign dissent is always remarkably disingenuous because a dissident in holding true to their own values, beliefs, and convictions will put themselves at risk because they have a personal stake in the affairs of their own nation. Whether they risk censure, detention, recrimination, harm or their own lives in the defense what they believe is the right out of love for their own country and their fellow citizens then rightfully they should instead be called patriots. The dissent of those who risk nothing in their criticism of a government they consider either hostile, enemy or in disagreement with outside the realm of foreign policies of which their own nation might be affected can always be readily dismissed as the concerned reproach hiding the banal platitudes of political pillorying while having no best interests at heart.
However, let us not conflate the freedom afforded as a capsuleer which is the product of extralegal and extraterritoriality bylaws protected under Interstellar agreements of the CONCORD Assembly and monitored by the DED with the conceptions of freedom within the Federation and defined deontologically within the Charter and constitution. The former promotes only anarchy while the latter at least strives towards some form of principles.
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Well, at one point Gallente propagandists were clearly stating that they don’t torture prisoners, when every capsuleer could simply find FN prisons in Black Rise and witness themselves results of Gallente treatment and their security “measures” of exploding all inmates cells if at least one has been breached.
And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have THIS pearl, beating on a frying pan like a fish, while claiming that there is no war at all!
Whom do you torture then, Gallentean? How comes you got hold of Caldari Navy personnel in your cells? Or do you want to claim that you kidnap State citizens and just name them “Prisoners of War” of unexisting war?
If it is just a “proxy conflict”, why Gallente keep torturing people at all, why they genocide Caldari colonists, why they invaded Luminaire and sent DUST troops on our planet, which was clearly outside of this so-called by Gallente propaganda “Proxy” war.
You may call it whatever you wish, gallente propagandist, but we all can see what happens out there, we see people who fight and die. And we see your atrocity.
Your empty words won’t pass here. You simply can’t deny reality of the war.
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Whom do you torture then, Gallentean? How comes you got hold of Caldari Navy personnel in your cells? Or do you want to claim that you kidnap State citizens and just name them “Prisoners of War” of unexisting war?[/quote]
You know the guy who said ‘proxy war’, the one you’re yelling at, despite being named ‘Galente’ is not actually involved in the Pendulum Games, right? He doesn’t have any Caldari Navy (or even Militia) personnel in ‘his’ cells.
They invaded Caldari Prime. They didn’t invade Luminaire. They’re from there, too. Gallente Prime is Luminaire VI.
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"And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have THIS pearl, beating on a frying pan like a fish, while claiming that there is no war at all!
Whom do you torture then, Gallentean? How comes you got hold of Caldari Navy personnel in your cells? Or do you want to claim that you kidnap State citizens and just name them “Prisoners of War” of unexisting war?"
You’ll remember a story about a month or two ago about the Navy blowing up a Quafe convoy that violated a border quarantine during the Kyonoke crisis, yeah? Did you ever stop to ask yourself why Quafe, a strictly Gallentean company, is trading with your beloved State if they’re actually at a state of war? Here’s your answer: the two states are not in a strict state of war, but rather a proxy war in certain regions. People don’t trade during a war. It just doesn’t happen.
As to the second bit,
- I’m not Gallentean, I’m Mannar and Sebiestor.
- I’m not a Federal citizen
- I have no Caldari Navy personnel in my cells, because I have a standing with the Navy of ~ +9.0 and a standing with the Gallente Federation of ~ -3.0 as a former contractor for the Caldari Navy
- I’ve never been a member of the Federal Defense Union, also not part of the Gallentean armed forces, also a licensed mercenary militia consisting of Irregulars separated from the Gallentean government.
- ‘Genocide of colonists’, also known as the collateral damage of a colonial conflict, happens on both sides of every war, and is obviously always regrettable. As I don’t participate in these toy soldier wars, but you do, you’re much more culpable for this than I could ever be, seeing as how I’m not a citizen of any of the four governments which enjoy planetary wars for resources which include displacing and killing colonists.
While we’re on the topic of prisoners of war, it’d be delightful if someone could link that one video that shows how Diana Kim commits war crimes against her ‘Prisoners of War’ by, ironically, ethnically segregating them and then slaying the ethnically Gallentean ones whilst letting the Intakis, Jin-Mei and I believe also, the Mannar (though I didn’t see any present), live. And they were the lucky ones, they got captured. If we’re to believe Diana’s own words, she’s on multiple occasions admitted that she rarely takes prisoners but rather kills the surviving crews when they eject from a ship, because “they were combatants”, unaware that doing this constitutes a war crime in every major government. Yet another piece of evidence that she’s a licensed pirate, and not connected to her government or military in any way, because there are severe disciplining processes for committing war crimes.
And Kimmie-poo, a small piece of advice. The fish are supposed to be dead, scaled, and filleted when you put them in a frying pan. Take it from a fisher. I know you love those nutrient bricks of yours, but food doesn’t have to be terrible.
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Jason, Jason… It’s not comparisons with our own forms of government that spark the complaining and teasing that the Fed endures from outsiders, it’s the grandiose claims that are made on behalf of that governing body by those ruled by it.
I’m perfectly fine with a Gallente patriot claiming that they think their government is the best in the galaxy, but it’s the blind assertion that their form of government is the best for everyone, everywhere that grates. Worse than that is when those claims are based on spurious logic - like, that the Fed is so ancestors-damned free, when it maintains a secret police that can abduct, hold, interrogate and even detain or punish without charge or due process…
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MY FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS BEST FOR EVERYONE!
I call it: ‘Why the hel are you listening to me, go make up your own system of government.’
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If you are thinking like a Federal scum, then you are not better than a Federal scum.
Your bullying pro-gallentean attitude has been noted. We in the State will use whatever we like and we will tear you apart to pieces if you will try to influence us!
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I have also written this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6923831
about these disrespectful to and nihilistic… I can’t even call them humans anymore… creatures, who call the War as ‘Pendulum war’.
Such nihilism and disrespect to human life shall not be tolerated.
War games are just that. Games. Practice for when the REAL war begins. If this is what you consider war I do not envy your underlings…
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