Okay, I’m not trying to get into an argument with you. I think you often bring up valid complaints, which I frequently agree with. So, I’m not saying that none of your complaints are valid. What I am saying is that some of the people that are accusing others of being biased towards CCP might, maybe, perhaps in actuality be biased against CCP.
Also, you used the no true Scotsman argumentative fallacy.
Zhalyd: I feel sorry for those that sided with Edencom
Cypherous: Why, I sided with Edencom and I’m not angry?
Zhalyd: Your opinion doesn’t count because you’re a CCP apologist.
I am not going to argue that point anyway. I also didn’t say, his opinion does not count. I said that he just doesn’t want to see the issue. That is something entirely different.
Consequences for the invaders, sure. I’d be more than happy if EDENCOM players could shoot me anywhere in the highsec without CONCORD intervention…as long as Trig players can attack EDENCOM players anywhere in high sec without CONCORD intervention. Trust me, you don’t want the forum storm from EDENCOM players that would follow, because “big bad pvpers are disrupting their mining and missioning activities”.
Also I still get attacked by GunStars in EDENCOM systems, so there’s that.
Standing gains are getting fixed, there is already a patch on SiSi that reverted all of that bugged mess, and it should go live soon.
As for the rewards, the ISK on both sides was completely meaningless. If you find 500k per site as a reward worth mentioning then your in-game wallet must be in a very sad state.
Apart from that Trigs got nothing. Salvage from EDENCOM was the useless T1 garbage you get from any PvE anywhere else in the cluster. PvP hunting grounds which got immediately evacuated because for regular highseccer “PvP bad!”.
And Niarja, while camped, could still be flown through if you actually put some effort into it and organized a travel/escort fleet.
I’ve been playing EVE for 17 years and I’ve been part of CCP’s storylines for more times than I care to count. I’m not a first-timer, and I am disappointed (to put it mildly).
Yes, there’s been ■■■■-ups before. The imbalance between protrig & proedencom chances to participate in the new content is an entirely new level of ■■■■■■■■ though. There have been scripted events before and of course it was obvious this one was scripted too. But never before have participants in a scripted event been unequally locked out from the content that follows.
You are not locked out of the content. You can still gain standing with Triglavians, by either shooting EDENCOM rats in K-space or any other rats (except for Trigs) in T-space. The current SiSi patch improved the gains by a lot (8x-12x the current value).
Obviously, this will wreck your EDENCOm standing, but that is understandable. Just as someone who fights for Gallente millitia and is -5 or worse with Caldari is technicaly locked out of Jita.
That’s not a consequence for invading space, that’s just more rewards for trigs. Consequences impact you, not help you create even more annoyance. That you get shot by gunstars is completely meaningless as you can just gain standings with Edencom by shooting drones. That CCP fixes the ill-gotten standings is completely besides the point.
You got tons of blue salvage from the elite edencom ships, so your statement is not true at all.
Oh, sure, should have tried that. Same goes for Fortresses. The difference? Fortresses concorded you for tackling you so that gunstars killed you. Final Loons had no such protection against such attacks. Moreover, trigs could even farm fortress response fleets for even more rewards.
You are not locked out of Jita if you have low caldari standings. You can move around just fine in any ship up to BS because FacPo webs your slow ship into warp. Locked out would mean that you cannot dock in NPC stations or use the NPC markets. These things would have been appropriate consequences for invaders of the empires. New Eden got nothing of that sort. What we got instead are people like you who portray things falsely, make false claims, and tell lies about everything just to make their side look worse than it actually was.
We were, in the beginning of the event, “locked out” compared to other participants in Chapter 3. Half of the people in Ch3 got a sneak peak to Pochven, the other half did not. And even for the grind, we are now weeks behind every average Joe who did not show any interest at all.
So while technically correct we are not permanently locked out, effectively we were punished for providing the opposition in a scripted event, despite holding systems at equal or better (depending on how you count the score) pace than we lost them, in a way that makes it very clear that there was never any possible outcome where it could have gone the other way.
So what you are saying is that you should be able to attack Trig players without them having any form of self-defense available due to your pet CONCORD? Hahahaha…no.
You mean those elite NPCs that started spawning only when the system was 20% away from final liminality and even then had low spawn rates?
Oh my god, getting through an enemy fleet now requires cooperation, the horror! You can no longer solojump through it!
And yes, we farmed fortress response fleets. just as EDENCOM had the option to farm Trig response fleet. The difference is that EDENCOM is so riskaverse to PvP you did not even try putting a fleet together for that or help your fellow travelers. Meanwhile our side organized our movements so we could easily tackle any EDENCOM fort or minor victory roadblock along the way…
No, that is not at all what I am saying. Learn to read and stop putting words in my mouth that are not there. I have listed the consequences that would actually matter. Worthless PVP is not among them.
They started spawning way earlier, especially in the later stages. And you could farm them uninterrupted in First Loon and in Redoubt.
Yes, it would. Funny story. Trig Shits could get through Fortresses and Edencom MV without cooperation simply because the systems did not work properly at first and you could just wait for the defender spawns to disappear in later stages. You could also just use neutral/friendly alts to get your ships through. Final Loons did not allow anything like that for Edencom.
I’d have rather seen warfare shenanigans between the 4 empires, involving pirate factions, having people fighting to change the security status of systems than this sad nacho space spectacle.
Next step ? EDENCOM invades Triglavian Space and tries to capture the systems back, a perpetual tug of war ?
Nah, not going to happen. At most some more stuff will be added to make the place a tiny bit more attractive to players. What happened with the standings is very much in line with the material requirements for obtaining Edencom bpc’s from the DED LP stores, a total overshoot. Not that the Edencom ships are good enough to go through the grind, or that T-space is entertaining enough to go through the grind.
Would it be fair to say that the people who magicked this content into existence forgot to try it out for themselves ?
Serenity was pro-edencom for the most part, doens’t affect their botting as much so it was beneficial for them to pick a side, the liminalities we gave them will have turned in to t-space like ours did
It’s almost one month since the end of the invasion and EDENCOM players are still as salty as the Dead Sea, it actually stopped being funny and started being sad instead…
I mean you got paid more raw ISK, which would have been nice as i have a pile of edencom LP i have no use for because the items are all garbage, i would have rather had the higher payouts honestly
Personally I think kybers got tricked by CCP, I expected that will happen. The obstacles someone have to get thru before doing something in Pochven are insane even for kybers.
As I fought for EDENCOM, I didnt expect much from CCP who were keen on making their own prophecy get fulfilled by the hands of kybers, it was obvious for me the greatest reward would be to not allow systems go liminality or medium trig victory. There are also few rare ocasions where I can make hundreds of millions of ISK in few hours because of systems being fortresses. So I dont complain.
