It seems that the administrative error has been fixed, the KoS system has been updated to reflect proper standings. I hope the underling who made the mistake is taught a long lesson in double checking before pushing buttons.
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Maybe they should come to this forum, it seems people here are quite expert at pushing buttons
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http://www.affirmativealliance.com/forum/index.php?topic=5191.0
Addressing the main quotation
So, I have a concern about this âReauthorisationâ business. Given youâre going public with this âconfidentialâ report, do you have proofs now to back up you are indeed an authorised and duly appointed agent of the Amarr Empire? Because if you are, youâll need to back that up. Maybe the High Inquisitor can clarify that regard. Perhaps the Empire would be very interested to know why this important and confidential task has suddenly become very un-confidential.
Truth be told however, this is nothing more then another Capsuleer with isk to throw around, with the real paymaster likely being someone personally offended by something that happened to them. I have some ideas whom that individual might well be, and the âintelâ will likely revolve around the kind of inane claptrap usually found in command channels (including jokes, threats, petty drama, accusations and the usual) that gets leaked from Providence leadership all the time. Itâs far from perfectly ran, so youâll probably have some embarrasing things to ârevealâ but nothing that affects Operation Deliveranceâs ârenewalâ given it was and is an ENTIRELY CAPSULEER FORMED, FOUNDED AND RAN INITIATIVE. The Empire gave absolutely no official support or authorisation for it other then pats on the back for the alliance.
Have fun with this, but honestly trying to make yourself sound more official and important then you are makes you look a bit like a twat.
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As a member of the accused, and supporter of the hold-out Jamylites, I have no doubt at all that you are indeed concerned about this âre-authorisationâ business.
Do you have anything to say in your defence other than personal insults?
I await a more cordial and robust defence of the charges against you.
My robust defence is that the Empire never authorised Operation Deliverance in the first place, never made it an officially sanctioned and mandated mission and certainly never âauthorisedâ anything that ever needed reauthorisation.
Tell me, when were the last inspections then if this were the case, who ran them and where can I view the report for the better part of the last decade? Where is the official authorisation from the Amarr Empire? If you cannot produce these documents or have the High Inquisitor himself confirm any of these details then you are doing nothing more but blustering hot air and lies to promote a simple Capsuleer ran isk give away.
To further the point, all the Empire has done and ever needs to do is sit back and let ProviBloc do all of the work while cheering from the sidelines since Operation Deliverance has always been a Capsuleer set mission.
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Thank you for your prompt response.
If I may, I would like to address what appears to be the main theme of your defence. Namely, that any initiative (inter alia Operation Deliverance) launched by a capsuleer falls, by default, outside the mandate of The Empire.
By your rationale, every action taken by the False Empress Jamyl (who unquestionably recloned at least once) must therefore have been considered unsanctioned by The Empire. Will you therefore join us in renouncing her reign? Will you therefore join us in forsaking Jamyl I as a sinner and distance yourself from this capsuleerâs legacy? Will you repent?
If you do so (as is right and just), then you will be in agreement that the very basis of CVA, as hold-out supporters Jamyl (and the rest of the Jamylites) is heretical. If you do not, then your entire argument falls apart.
I respectfully invite you to take a considered response to this dilemma.
Thank you for your prompt response.
If I may, I would like to address what appears to be the main theme of your defence. Namely, that any initiative (inter alia Operation Deliverance) launched by a capsuleer falls, by default, outside the mandate of The Empire.
By your rationale, every action taken by the False Empress Jamyl (who unquestionably recloned at least once) must therefore have been considered unsanctioned by The Empire. Will you therefore join us in renouncing her reign? Will you therefore join us in forsaking Jamyl I as a sinner and distance yourself from this capsuleerâs legacy? Will you repent?
If you do so (as is right and just), then you will be in agreement that the very basis of CVA, as hold-out supporters of Jamyl (and the rest of the Jamylites) is heretical. If you do not, then your entire argument falls apart.
I invite you, sir, to take a considered response to this dilemma.
Damnit, this stupid new forum and its stupid new formatting for quotationsâŚ
Thank you for your prompt response.
If I may, I would like to address what appears to be the main theme of your defence. Namely, that any initiative (inter alia Operation Deliverance) launched by a capsuleer falls, by default, outside the mandate of The Empire.
The late Empress has never condemned in any official capacity by the Empire as âfalseâ. As Empress, all of her actions constituted that of any other incumbent of the Throne and therefore can be considered sanctioned officially by the Empire by virtue of that office.
Unless you can submit the official documentation from the Empire that lists the late Empress Jamyl as false and all her works to be denouced, once again it is blatantly obvious you are not operating under any official capacity.
Will you therefore join us in renouncing her reign? Will you therefore join us in forsaking Jamyl I as a sinner and distance yourself from this capsuleerâs legacy? Will you repent?
So, you ask me to renounce the late Empress without any official backing to such an argument? I guess then this is a private group of individuals dictating what is and is not official, seems the truth has been outed. I assume then that with this implicit confession that my assertion that this is not an official mission for the Amarr Empire in any degree holds true. Good to know.
If you do so (as is right and just), then you will be in agreement that the very basis of CVA, as hold-out supporters of Jamyl (and the rest of the Jamylites) is heretical. If you do not, then your entire argument falls apart.
I invite you, sir, to take a considered response to this dilemma.
CVA has taken no action to support any Emperor or Empress over the other. CVA officially supports every incumbent to the Throne as they take their turn, the alliance and other members of Provi-Bloc formed an entire fleet to swear fealty to Empress Catiz I. Admittedly the fleet contained a minor number of pilots who either swore fealty to the Purity of the Throne movement or uttered other heresies, but these pilots were dealt with internally.
Interesting how this was a bounty about the application of NRDS and supposed heresies against the Empire and a supposed âreauthorisationâ for Operation Deliverance (a point you still have not addressed my questions on in the slightest), but now you seek to turn it into judgement about the late Empress Jamyl. Given I am pledged to Catiz I just as I was pledged to Jamyl I, along with CVA, I hardly see any dilemma at all!
Sir, will you get back on point and defend yourself against my accusations that none of you here are acting officially for any kind of reauthorisation, or will you confess to being unofficial actors lashing out at what you consider âheresiesâ or spinning a fancy narrative to just promote your otherwise bland, boring and not unique isk give-away for kills?
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There is sufficient evidence that CVA have set themselves as false gods, of judge, jury and executioner, without regard for the Empireâs protocols
This, sir, this was your contention. I contend that until the Empire proclaims annexation of the region, CVA and other alliances have a duty and a responsibility to manage the area as best suited for the situation. Hell, it even started the process of enacting more laws to increase compatibility with Imperial Law despite the region being Capsuleer dominated and almost entirely colonised by Capsuleer subjects. Jamyl I had, and continues to have, nothing to do with Operation Deliverance, this discussion or your assertions against it.
A thanks to another of the faithful who pointed this outâŚ
and without appropriate deference to Empress Catiz or the Harbinger of Faith.
The Harbinger of Faith was the title for Jamyl I after her return. So, are you for or against Jamyl?
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This is nothing new.
CVA and the rest of the people who reside in Providence may claim loyalty to God and Empire, but Providence is NOT a part of the Empire.
The good thing about Providence is the lack of CONORD control. I should think the devout there are not Imperial, but probably a lot more Godly.
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Before we proceed further, can you please verify, for the sake of this council, your stance on this matter? Will you condemn Jamylâs existence as an actively recloning capsuleer, an existence which breached of the doctrine of Sacred Flesh? Yes or no?
My stance is that the late Empress Jamyl I has had no condemnation from the proper authorities, therefore I do not condemn. If that changes, my stance will change, so youâd better hurry and forward your claims to the Theology Council and Catiz I to put them to the test.
Now if you are done deflecting, would you address the points I have made? Otherwise itâs obvious here you continue to have nothing with regards to your claims of âreauthorisationâ and âofficial missionsâ for the Empire.
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Thank you for the response.
I currently have no further questions.
Please stand by whilst the audit continues; the findings will then be presented for perusal by you and the rest of this audience.
So once again you refuse to address my points with regards to the standing of said âauditâ?
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I feel, as an uninvolved outside party whose popcorn is almost ready, that I should point out to you that this position is, in fact, considered heretical and possibly blasphemous by the Theology Council, who declared Jamyl Sarum legitimately resurrected by God as an instrument of his divine whateverness, and explicitly not a clone, before she was crowned Empress Jamyl I.
Just sayinâ, you know, even dirty Matari goons know that. Why donât you?
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Ah, what better way to break a long silence than with pedantry?
Jamyl I, the Harbinger of Hope, Sword of the Righteous, or a different Jamyl I? I mean, I know a Harbinger of Faith and Pope of New Eden, but heâs not exactly looked on kindly by mainstream theologians.
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Either way, she was a battlecruiser and the precursor to Sacrilege.
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Sorry sweetie, she leads to Absolution.
As would be expected.
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Eh, all those Amarr Empresships look alike to me.
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