Stick around long enough and you will find that EvE and CCP can be very Monty Python-esque 
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Maybe I will and maybe I won’t - I mean, find out about Python-esque. Not everyone has the same expectations from a game.
Different kind of comedy, Mr Bean is basically slapstick whereas the Python stuff is mostly absurdist satire, very British and of its time in what it references.
Rowan Atkinson is also extremely good at satire, Blackadder springs to mind, but not season 1 because the writing is shite.
If you don’t like python-esque stuff, you should try java-esk stuff. They have bean.
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Welcome to the Eve-O forums. The forums represent a cross se-- never mind, yea there’s a lot of ill will here often.
Yeah, I see a cloud on the horizon as well…
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There are so very many truths we are all wedged between, and while there may be a best general course of action in life, that will fail hard from time to time. Some of those truths:
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Some people are broken. It might be a mental defect they were born with or it might be due to upbrining. Some can be fixed, some only partially and some cannot be fixed at all.
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Some people are extremely sadisitic and their joy of life is tied to abusing others. Whether that is from being broken or if its sometimes normal is debatable.
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Some people get extreme pleasure playing with your mind and confusing you. Those people can also be abusive but they are certainly unhelpful.
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We can surmise motives for people being abusive in a general sense, but when it comes to clearly identifying the motive of an individual its very tricky and almost impossible.
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The truth is not always pleasant. And when something is unpleasant it can make people very angry. This is a major reason why so much truth is avoided and even good people can make massive blunders and do evil things despite wanting to do good.
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Put all the above together. It can be extremely difficult to decide if a person is just trying to get you to accept an unpleasant truth or throwing BS at you for some sort of jolly they get from it, or if they are just a bit mental.
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This game is a magnet for griefers, sadists and masochists and broken people in general. Unlike most games you don’t acquire your goods in minutes. It takes weeks of your time, maybe even months. And when you lose something you invested that much real time of your life to acquire, the psychological pain is real. There is a whole culture here of taking things away and trying to get people to express their frustration in chats and on the forum.
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People will try to excuse so much of that griefing as “role play”. But why do that role play if one were not getting some sort of real pleasure out of it? They are not getting paid to play a role in a movie or something. No. The enjoyment of the pain of others is real.
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Natually all that is going to find its way to the game forum.
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Plus we can add in to all that natural male aggression and desire for dominance. And we can safely surmise most EVE players are male.
Your way of life, as chosen by your father, is probably the best way to live life in general. Unfortunately, some vital truths will be missed that way that other groups of humanity, including the worst of us, will be well aware of and might exploit. This is why we still have mafia/ cartel bosses and a range of people in government who range from very good to even worse than mafia/cartel bosses.
And precious little can be done about it until people learn to talk about the truth without being complete weak minded wimps about it. We need to figure out who the truly unconstructive, unhelpful broken people are and exclude them from the conversation to get the truth. But then again, that road leads to making Socrates drink hemlock. Basically Socrates was labeled King of the trolls by wimps who could not handle the unpleasant truth. PC cancel culture is actually not something new.
Its all quite a conundrum. But not much truth will be gained here with the tendency to tear others down combined with CCP staff having similar tendencies as the player base.
You will find better discussions of this game on Reddit. This forum can be very toxic.
@Renly_Rohan Thank you for your thought-out post. It’s well written and helped me understand a few things I wasn’t aware of.
We’re complicated beings indeed and this written form of communication leaves a lot to desire. Many things that would otherwise be clear in oral form are lost and that leaves the door open for all sorts misunderstandings and abuse.
Yep. Some people on the internet you would have nothing to do with face to face because just one look at them would set off several red flags. But here, it takes time to figure out what would be obvious IRL
bollocks
we being playing with you all day and you will listen to this professional victim calling people sadistic , griefers etc ???
you apear to be smarter than that
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btw you cannot negate that you had a fun day today
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I tried. At least I got ib4tl.
See the zkillboard of Ridley Rohan, my main, who was shadow banned from this forum. I am not claiming victimization in game if that is your charge.
I can take the name calling/abuse/ personal attacks on this forum as long as I am allowed to dish out what I am given. My main was shadow banned from the forum because I was not allowed, and that is because of favoritism on the forum by someone who has all or some of the mental failings I described above.
But thanks for the attacks. They illustrate in short form very well what I can only describe in long posts.
BTW shadow banning is nothing but evidence of absence of integrity.
Not only did your edit add to the post, but also took away. Yeah, I noticed.
But I have a question for you; why do you seem to be trying to own an accusation I laid at the feet of only some EVE players and none in particular? Why so threatened that Ka’lahKa_lah appreciate what I said?
For all I know, you might be the sweetest person ever to lay this game. IDK
if you are ok im ok
im kinda done with that eve players are sadistic psychopaths narrative though
may be overreacted
You keep pontificating about the “motivations of griefers” or whatever it is, and are still completely ignoring the possibility that across the very wide, general gaming demographic, there simply exists a subset of individuals who enjoy high-stakes survival PvP gameplay with high risks and similarly high rewards. A subset of people for whom this game was made, in fact, just like a handful of other games, which overall make up a minority of the gaming market, but still hold a respectable share of it.
Your “griefing” simply doesn’t exist, because the only way you can frame it is in terms of every individual’s personal, subjective perception of their experience. You can’t define griefing in a broad, concrete sense, because you will run into the situation in which a miner who loses a 25-million ISK insured T1 barge feels “griefed,” and a player like me, who has lost tens of billions of ISK to non-consensual PvP (including multi-billion-ISK suicide-ganking losses), and doesn’t feel griefed.
If you can’t define griefing in universal terms, you don’t have a platform on which to stand. All you’re doing is parroting the sentiments of countless whiny crybabies who came before you, who downloaded the wrong game, and were too obstinate to admit it.
This is why your side has never been able to make any rational, logical arguments to justify its viewpoints, and why all of the concessions it has extracted from the developers over the years stemmed solely from threats of an economic nature.
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I never said it was everyone. I just said this game was a magnet for the type.
Maybe you didn’t realize that point? I hope we are cool.
im cool bro, S3 no hard feelings
i may be overreacted like i said
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I could write a book of a post on that too. But what you are ignoring is that my focus on one aspect is not intent to ignore another.
And to be sure, I have less problem with what goes on in the game as I do with what goes on on the forum and in chats. Everyone should expect loss in the game, but the psychological griefing that often goes on with words is really beyond the pale.
I can define it. I just cannot prove it in individual cases 100 percent objectively. But I repeat, its not the game play that gives me so much pause, is the verbal griefing. But the verbal griefing is not such a surprise when you realize that a signifant amount of players are getting off on kicking over sand castles knowing the owner of said sand castle will be upset about it.
That’s all pops and whistles to me. Fairness and truth don’t win over the powers that be half as much as you seem to think. Just look at all the 20th century wars fought just to get European colonizers the hell out of peoples’ countries. Asking for such a fair thing as independence seems to never work.
1 bil says Ka_lah is a CCP troll.
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i edited my post because english is not my primary language so i post and notice
wait this word is not right , this is not exactly what i wanted to say etc
most of my posts are edited several times
You have to quote Ridley before he deletes his posts. 