This forum is brutal

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Renly_Rohan

For the love of BOB, will you read the OP???

How exactly can someone grief someone over the forums, outside of condemned acts like real-life threats and doxxing?

We’re quickly entering the territory of saying that a person feels grief just because another person exists.

Nothing that happens here has any meaning. You can simply ignore anything anyone says. At least in the game itself, it’s still remotely possible to have an interaction forced on you without any consent or input of your own.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

I guess what it comes down to is I was lucky enough to not have a sheltered upbringing and can take the hard knocks the game gives out?

[Avaelica_Kuershin]

@Renly_Rohan

But straight opinions are often seen as toxic because they cause discomfort. This is often due to the truth component smacking straight into the conscious mind.

Like saying to someone that mindlessly repeating the same thing over and over doesn’t make it any truer?

[The_Blacker_Vegetable]

@Renly_Rohan

There are so very many truths we are all wedged between, and while there may be a best general course of action in life, that will fail hard from time to time. Some of those truths:

1. Some people are broken. It might be a mental defect they were born with or it might be due to upbrining. Some can be fixed, some only partially and some cannot be fixed at all.
2. Some people are extremely sadisitic and their joy of life is tied to abusing others. Whether that is from being broken or if its sometimes normal is debatable.
3. Some people get extreme pleasure playing with your mind and confusing you. Those people can also be abusive but they are certainly unhelpful.
4. We can surmise motives for people being abusive in a general sense, but when it comes to clearly identifying the motive of an individual its very tricky and almost impossible.
5. The truth is not always pleasant. And when something is unpleasant it can make people very angry. This is a major reason why so much truth is avoided and even good people can make massive blunders and do evil things despite wanting to do good.
6. Put all the above together. It can be extremely difficult to decide if a person is just trying to get you to accept an unpleasant truth or throwing BS at you for some sort of jolly they get from it, or if they are just a bit mental.
7. This game is a magnet for griefers, sadists and masochists and broken people in general. Unlike most games you don’t acquire your goods in minutes. It takes weeks of your time, maybe even months. And when you lose something you invested that much real time of your life to acquire, the psychological pain is real. There is a whole culture here of taking things away and trying to get people to express their frustration in chats and on the forum.
8. People will try to excuse so much of that griefing as “role play”. But why do that role play if one were not getting some sort of real pleasure out of it? They are not getting paid to play a role in a movie or something. No. The enjoyment of the pain of others is real.
9. Natually all that is going to find its way to the game forum.
10. Plus we can add in to all that natural male aggression and desire for dominance. And we can safely surmise most EVE players are male.

Your way of life, as chosen by your father, is probably the best way to live life in general. Unfortunately, some vital truths will be missed that way that other groups of humanity, including the worst of us, will be well aware of and might exploit. This is why we still have mafia/ cartel bosses and a range of people in government who range from very good to even worse than mafia/cartel bosses.

And precious little can be done about it until people learn to talk about the truth without being complete weak minded wimps about it. We need to figure out who the truly unconstructive, unhelpful broken people are and exclude them from the conversation to get the truth. But then again, that road leads to making Socrates drink hemlock. Basically Socrates was labeled King of the trolls by wimps who could not handle the unpleasant truth. PC cancel culture is actually not something new.

Its all quite a conundrum. But not much truth will be gained here with the tendency to tear others down combined with CCP staff having similar tendencies as the player base.

You will find better discussions of this game on Reddit. This forum can be very toxic.

I`ve read EULA that are shorter.

[Edmorte_Fehrnah]

@Ka_lah Aristotle: “The word dog does not bite”.

Sorry for the wrong translating, did not found the original quote in english.

The meaning is intact.

[Renly_Rohan]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Nothing that happens here has any meaning.

Allow me to adjust that. Nothing that happens here SHOULD have any meaning. That distinction actually needs to be taught from grade school in more formal fashion than the “sticks and stones” thing we learned on the playground. It needs to be ingrained.

But sadly, what other people THINK becomes important to us anyway. And THAT is why forums have half their rules and posts are deleted rather than just hidden. I would like to clarify what people have done because of forum posts with examples, but I am afraid that would get me in trouble.

@Destiny_Corrupted

At least in the game itself, it’s still remotely possible to have an interaction forced on you without any consent or input of your own.

Ever been invited to a private chat room? I suppose there may be a way to prevent a random unsolicited chat room window coming up, but I don’t know of it.

Also its hard to ignore local chat. Its just a key to this game.

Or were you talking physical interaction only? Cause the issue of this whole thread is psychological interaction.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

Someone please help me! I am being griefed by Renly Rohan!

[Renly_Rohan]

@MB_ThePhotographer

I guess what it comes down to is I was lucky enough to not have a sheltered upbringing and can take the hard knocks the game gives out?

I think this is somewhat of a fallacy. The OP is a great IRL example. She is sweating none of this. Her foundation is far more solid than many people here. And it looks to me like there are a great many cracked foundations around from people swearing how tough they got with their tough upbringing.

This is a fallacy of poor people mostly and its a reason they stay poor.

You want tough? Look at Space X. Rocket after rocket blowing up but THEY WILL NOT QUIT. I wonder though…if those people posted here they probably would have quit by now. A lot of you guys are very good at what you do, that I don’t deny.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

Help! Help! I am being griefed!

[MB_ThePhotographer]

My tough upbringing did not stop me from getting ahead.

I got ahead because I was not a snowflake.

Edit; removed the arsehole part.

[Renly_Rohan]

@MB_ThePhotographer

My tough upbringing did not stop me

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a good example of someone succeeding DESPITE a tough upbringing. But its important not to let exceptions to the rule cloud your judgement.

You know why Americans win so much gold at the Olympics? Because they have every advantage. If having it tough was the key to success, it would all be very different.

Suffering tough treatment on the forum has limited use. In the idea section it is especially useless. Mostly, its poison.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Renly_Rohan

Suffering tough treatment on the forum has limited use. In the idea section it is especially useless.

Better to learn in the forums than in game.

[Jonah_Gravenstein]

@Renly_Rohan

In the idea section it is especially useless

Like about 99.99% recurring of the ideas put forth in F&I.

[Renly_Rohan]

@Jonah_Gravenstein

Like about 99.99% recurring of the ideas put forth in F&I.

I think your figure is a bit steep. Otherwise, no argument.

[Kadia_Kakki_Sotken]

The forum only appears brutal because there is a certain cohort of players that are involved in risk free gameplay, yet somehow think they are the ultimate hardcore EVE player and everyone should worship them. Anyone that says something which this cohort deems a change which improves non-PVP activity, whether it’s an obviously good change or not, is quickly pounced on by them and their undercover forum alts in an attempt to silence them. The forum mods also protect them.

[God_Emperor_Kane]

@Kadia_Kakki_Sotken

and their undercover forum alts

Says the undercover forum alt…

[Dextrome_Thorphan]

@Ka_lah

@tutucox_Khamsi

most of the people here are kinda roleplaying

I thought so at first but from what I read I’m pretty sure most aren’t Role-playing unless it’s posted in the lore and fiction section.

Also, I don’t see how someone can have fun by insulting another on his IQ, his gender, his intentions or veracity of statements.

I would call it trolling, not “roleplaying”

[Xiombarg_Ohmsford]

I’m going to interject here, taking a screenshot every thirty seconds is a touch on the excessive side don’t you think? You also talk about being banned, if that is the case then maybe you should be looking closer to home and stop denigrating the Eve community. We are not as bad as you purport, you make it sound like we are all scum. Yet this community has done and will continue to do great things inside and outside of the game. Your negativity leaves a lot to be desired, spice it up fella we are not all sadists/griefers/scammers etc etc.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

It’s Kezrai.

Anyway, it feels absolutely great to know that I’m awesome and protected and don’t have to worry about risk like that, and that outside of throwing forum tantrums like some petulant children in order to get CCP to give them something just to shut them up for a week, these people can do absolutely nothing about my presence in the game, and the effects it has on them. Their collective magnum opus is throwing a few passive-aggressive labels around the forums in order to try to get a rise out of people.

I’m glad that we have such a stable supply of ready and willing subjects of oppression. Don’t even have to work for it, here or in-game.

[Kadia_Kakki_Sotken]

@God_Emperor_Kane

Says the undercover forum alt…

I’m not undercover, I don’t post on alts to agree with myself.