The mining school freeport was war dec by these “heroes” and simply destroyed. It was clearly named FREEPORT but that means nothing to them. I am not upset about the destruction, I am sorry I let down those who rented office space and jump clones. Mining operations continue as we rebranded the corp and have moved all assets to another NPC facility in the Tsuguwa system. The new corp cannot be war dec. I am now resigning as CEO and disbanding Bulk Recycling Unionized Collection Excavation as this corp remains under war dec.
Sometime next year we plan to rebuild and continue our work. I have personally gifted 60 ships from this facility and my crew and I would like to extend a personal thanks to @Mike_Azariah who helped a lot on this program.
The lack of respect, for users who do “good deeds” is deplorable here in EVE Online, this is not the fault of CCP. We didn’t ask for ISK, special needs, tributes, or attention – we don’t lose hope – this is why this program will remain here in Tsuguwa. We will not be moved by others, we will continue to be stubborn and we will continue to gift free vessels to new miners who want to make a life in Eve Online.
Thanks Mike, your efforts to inspire others are more than words.
Thank you @ISD_Drew
I said this would eventually happen. I expected it to happen long ago. We didn’t lose anything and I know we have enough ISK to anchor another in the same place right now. The 3 of us talked about it a week ago, I know I am viewed as a pessimist of the trio. I told Lucy, not to bother Blackflag as they will just ask for ISK and destroy it anyway. She plans to replace the structure in 2026.
I don’t put a lot of stock in 11 hour old forum alts. Maybe you assume too much. We all have PvP characters, when we are not mining to support our activities, we are killing you. Lucy spoke of respect, it is obvious you hold no respect for anyone in this game, I don’t respect those who use the new miners as easy targets. I destroyed some ships earlier this week, nothing special, a kestral, a few frigates, and a coercer but nothing unarmed. I told Lucy it was a mistake to arm the station, it makes it more of a valid target by saying you are ready to fight. Since there is only 3 physical players in the group, it is near next to impossible to defend such a structure.
She made some mistakes, but they are her’s to own. I think it is a mistake to anchor another station, but she is young and willful. I have already advised her to just open shop in the existing NPC station nearby. I continue to support Lucy, Mike, and all the other carebears out there just like them.
Losing and replacing structures has to be part of your business plan. Of course it’s unpleasing work, but it just happens. What may be fun is a network of defending players who help when attacked.
The first eviction is heartbreaking, I know. Get used to it and rebuild the sand castle!
And Lonetrack is very close to Jita. if you want to keep a structure and teach mining, this place is poorly chosen. But if you want to attract many (new) players, it’s a good spot. Perhaps try another one in a more remote area.
It is not an issue to me. I cannot speak for Lucy, but I think it is apparent the message is naming something FREEPORT in game doesn’t affect player’s opinion. I educated her on several points about this game, yet she is of the opinion people bouncing about in the game, like her and Mike, should not be targets. I told her people would shoot Santa, if he exists in EVE. I don’t know, if Mike’s bowhead comes under attack often, as he jumps from school to school delivering free ships. I am sure it must, because there is no avoiding some 0.4 bottlenecks between regions.
As I stated before, I am of the opinion, it would be fine to use any NPC station as the base of operations. This would save on buying fuel for other operations. The astrahus was given to her as a gift. Buying another is well over 1 billion ISK + core + clonebay. She has enough ISK to get more than 6 of them. That would be better spent on more mining ships to pass along to those who need or want them. However in her own words, she…
Now for future readers who plan to deploy a citadel or other station structure anywhere in this game. They can and will be destroyed. CCP made this special pinata in space to attract corps to bust them open. The core is worth 600 million and is never lost in the explosion. They also scoop up components and other candies that fall to the ground. They have no automatic defensive system, missiles and fighters don’t launch themselves. I am surprised players still deploy such an obvious item. However should you still plan to feed the bear, take some steps to be prepared.
Set up 2 corporations with the similar name ( e.g. John’s Big Corp and Johnny’s Big Corp ) one is used solely for the station. Should the station come under a war dec, then your corp members won’t be under fire in high sec. The player or players linked to the corp station can be attacked anywhere without CONCORD reprisal.
Don’t bother arming it, unless you have more than 100 members who can take the controls and start shooting. Even then, it is only a matter of time and waves of attacks before the structure falls. Arming it, as I stated above, places it into a valid target category in my book. As Malak stated above, people who have items in station will find their stuff in asset safety unless the station is set in null or a wormhole. Those poor slobs will end up with nothing.
Once you place the core and activate your clone bay, you will need to feed the beast 180 fuel blocks per day. At 22k per block, it comes to 3.96 million ISK per day or 118 million per month. In one year, you will have spent just as much on fuel, as you would buying another one and putting it online.
As you can tell, I have a low opinion of player owned stations. They are ISK sinks and a lure for players to attack. Unless you are making ISK and have nothing else to spend it on, they are not worth the headache.
I’m not that pessimistic. I had a high sec station for quite a while (Metropolis), and as a group wardecced me, they wardecced all other small corps with stations around, thinking they can kill them one by one.
Now here’s the game: Communication! We carebear station owners got in contact and were able to successfully defend the first attacks together. Then we even paid a visit at the attackers’ home station and shot some rounds (and lost some Dessies ). All our stations survived, and the attackers’ station was destroyed shortly after by other angry opponents.
But you are still right: A few weeks later I decided to repackage my Athanor, it wasn’t worth the hassle. Just a pity I can’t wardec any more, so I can’t do the laziest form of war: Shooting aged towers of inactive corps and allys.
Thank you for your explanation. Structures do have their purpose, but I agree that they are very much temporary. I own and operate structures myself and most times, they are just a source of content. I am perfectly okay with spending a few billion to get content for my corp/alliance. If it stays up for a few years, great! If it attracts a war dec, also great! Either outcome helps with player retention and recruitment.
BLACKFLAG lives from protection rackets. They do not destroy citadels just out of boredom. They contact owner to pay them certain sum every month: if he is not replying or refuses then they take down the citadel.
@Vokan_Narkar yes I saw that from their description, however this was not the case here.
No one was contacted, they attacked taking out our freeport described as a mining school and another mining owned structure in that same system was also destroyed the same day.
No relationship to us, the fact this one was unarmed, and I assume they are anti-miner. I don’t care, if they want to pay more for goods sold. No mails sent or received on all 3 of us at the station. Even so, we wouldn’t have paid ransom. If they plan to ransom structures, they are killing the Lindbergh baby prior to ransom.
Why does this 11-hour-old alt know more about this game than you?
You don’t have PvP alts. Every character in Eve is a PvP character. You claiming otherwise displays that you don’t understand the game you play.
This entire thread is you whining about the game working as intended. Maybe that 11-hour-old alt is someone coming back to the game after a long break, after playing for over a decade?
This is a noble cause, but simply calling something a freeport does not garner any favor from anyone. Part of the entire concept behind having structures is also having the military, financial, or diplomatic ability to defend said structure. I use a freeport in low sec for PI and have done so for the past year or two, the alliance that owns the port is big enough to defend it, and it hasn’t been touched yet. But I am well aware that anything i store there is subject to potential loss. Part of how they fund their operation is POCO taxes, and I don’t really know much else about them. But they were kind enough to give me a reduced tax rate when I asked their diplo, with the caveat that they still reserve the right to shoot me if I make a nuisance of myself lol. I expect no special treatment, and I understand that I use the port at my own risk.
To do what you are trying to do you will need to either invest in a defense team, hire one, or rent space where you receive some promise of protection from this type of activity.
Well kid, better luck next time. You lost, but no one says you have to like it. I never bought a station myself, it sounds like too much work for a small group. I think you should listen to John and just do business from the NPC post. In the past, I had some junk in a player made station, it blew up and you have to wait 5 to 20 days to redeem your junk. The only possible way I see to earn profit, from owning such a station, is charging outrageous taxes and rent.
There was no reason to contact anybody and if I do… it is rarely to get a ransom. More likely just to troll a little… . Now if you reached out that might have been a different story.
I am back in EVE. And wanted to give the guys some content and myself to get used to multi boxing again.
Never less… More random structures that is not blue to us will disappear around Caldari space.
Gosh what a load of nonsense. Player stations are there to be destroyed. I’ve been involved in the destruction of many. You don’t get any special exemption for ‘good deeds’. That is how EVE is supposed to be…..nobody is safe, nothing is safe. Trying to shame others for simply playing the game is to me what is the true acting in bad faith.
100 mil dec with almost 100% guaranteed minimum 600mil drop ( almost 100% as there are ppl who will try to steal the core) so that is why they dec strutures. Not for content but for the basiclly free isk
). All our stations survived, and the attackers’ station was destroyed shortly after by other angry opponents.
. Now if you reached out that might have been a different story.