Killing newbies with a ‘legal war dec’ is equally awful for the newbie as criminally attacking them in high sec, in my opinion.
In both cases they lose their ship.
A newbie that might fit EVE could recover and learn tricks to stay alive, while a newbie unfit for EVE might quit EVE over such a loss.
As this is a game where people from time to time lose ships, I would not necessarily see it as a bad thing if a person quits over losing a ship. Such players would quit eventually anyway if they aren’t able to take the occasional loss in this game. So while it’s bad that the game loses a potential player, for that player it might be a good thing to quit sooner rather than later if they realize this isn’t their kind of game.
Stop being dishonest, Nobody is checking the history of the character to see his age in a war dec. get real dude.
Killing him outside of a wardec in hi-sec for lol’s is completely different and takes it toll
A wardec is NOT an excuse to grief and harass new players! I understand wardecs are a part of EvE, but wardeccers should have to put a little effort into it. CCP should increase the cost for wardecs, and players who do too many wardecs should be BANNED from Highsec. A lot of new players come to EvE and are driven away by wardeccers who harass and grief them endlessly, it has to STOP!!!
THE USUAL SUSPECTS BEING THE TOXIC GRIEFER TOMMY PLEBFINGERS! HE CANT GET A REAL KILLMAIL SO HE HAS TO WARDEC NEW PLAYERS IN HIGHSEC!!!
CCP needs to take action to protect the new players, and add restrictions to ensure that wardeccers face a little bit of challenge and risk. Right now, these toxic griefers just target ships that can’t even shoot back, laughing as they kill helpless low levels in defenseless mining ships!!! Wardeccers should be required to purchase security tags, in lowsec, where they are afraid to even go. Anyone who does more than 1 wardec should be labelled a warmonger, and if a warmonger fails to pay reparations then CONCORD should target and KILL on sight!!!12!
EvE Online could have ten million players if these griefers were removed!!!
That’s what happens to a toxic coward warmonger when he runs into a REAL pvp crew. All Tommy can do is grief poor innocent newbro low levels in defenseless mining ships, but when a real PvP comes to him his griefer ship just can’t handle the heat! I bet they felt real good about putting that wargriefer in his place, hahahhaa, Tommy lost his own war, hahahahxDxdXD!
If I weren’t doing a background check on the target I wouldn’t check a gank target nor a war dec target.
I do not see why background checks would only be relevant for ganks but not for war decs? You just use a different game mechanic to kill them, but you kill them nonetheless. Both are valid targets and sometimes when you get the opportunity you shoot before you wonder if you should.
Personally I do neither high sec ganks nor high sec war kills, as I play outside high sec where any kill is a kill too.
Sometimes I check how old a character is before I shoot them, but usually I don’t.
This is a spaceship combat game. People will shoot your spaceship if you give them the opportunity.
Oh my god this is hilarious. This joker who keeps dredging up old posts to whine about ganking newer players… ganks newer players just in a different way.
HI All,
Have a day off from a different .. plce.. Saw that this old argument is being recycled yet again.
An opinion of someone that is a not what I would call a new player. But still a player that has not logged into the same amount of time as some the rest here has. While it true that under the rules of constitute ganking. He is right. Making a pretty fireball of a newbie ship of a rival corp is not strictly speaking ganking.
At the same time making that newbies ship into a fireball in the sky is not much different from ganking. Regardless the older player has still destroyed a new players ship. But here is where we get into the weeds of this.
The new player is still new. Though having joined a corp has made the decision to fully participate in the game. That new player either knew the risks or should have been explained a little clearer. Either way that new player had made a decision that cost him/her/them a ship. Just another day in New Eden. Call it a Monday.
On the other side we have this vet of of decades. With a ship that could have mauled ten newbie ships without cracking a sweat. Knows more about the in and outs. Even can reflexively overheat and turn off weapons and systems without much thought.
So what the player did was it a ganking, A teachable moment for the newbie, or just another Monday. My opinion was all three. As the newbie might have thought He ( I am using he as generic and not gender here) Was in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Either did not or was not understanding how to call for backup from the corp when a red ship lands on grid.
This whole scenario now takes on the question was this really a ganking in disguise of a wardec’d rival corp. My opinion and I am sure will get a lot of negative responses. Now if the older player in question did check to see how long the target had been in game. Went ahead and made a pretty fireball in the sky. Given the older players position in this thread. I would say it was a ganking.
At the same time. Having seen a wardecc’d ship sitting out there looking all fat and happy. It could just as easily have been bait.
Such is the nature of the beast in Eve Online. Where people are encouraged by both design and mechanics to blow each other out of the sky. Is highsec ganking a problem. From time to time it does prove problematic with new players not understanding the words Relatively Safe. As opposed to you are assuredly safe.
As a once new player a few years back. I came to this game understanding already and with a mindset that understood. It is cut throat game. There is no real coddling of new players. That if you do not have or are unwilling to cultivate the mindset needed for this game. You will be just a ganking or losing a ship in any of the various and sundry ways possible (sometimes in probable ways) of a rage/quit post.
brothersistermanwoman, if they can kill for for less than 4m isk, you can kill them for less than 4m isk. your entire premise is just wrong, and this is just more text vomit goodbye while still playing, quitting because ganking bs. it’s been seen before, and will be seen again, likely from you.
projection and slander. this is a video game, you arent dr phil. all of you folks that attempt to force your armchair psychology without any actual knowedge of the other person, look absolutely stupid.
more ad homenum with no purpose. this game does not need people like you. see you next time you text vomit the same lies and slander.
well .”.Welcome to the real world. For 13 years, we’ve been getting ganked by 1 million ISK Catalysts while sitting in 1 billion ISK ships in High - sec. Now you’re finally feeling what we’ve been feeling every single day." i think the income of highsec needs to be reversed low income in low nothing in null and high income in high-sec …( does nt that sounds ridiculous also ) > highsec is been terrorised for a very long time all ready i think income in low and null and high needs to be the same level . and yeah all the bullying from high-command is not really necessary at all….> waiting for risk for reward knights bully-recognition and a lot of minaral salt.
