I’m sure that you would win that bet! And of course I don’t expect you listing up people. ^^
But to be honest I didn’t took your statement in the context of finding out someones age. I still don’t see the connection to that in the post I answered to. From my point it looked like the question was if…
… or not.
I just wanted to say that I think this is not the case. A lot of people - who still take their game “serious” - but play mostly solo won’t usually use voice comms when they play. You might find this strange in a multiplayer game and you might be right. And I agree on the idea that knowing someones age after talking to them for a while is likely possible, also that a majority of gamers has some voice chat software;
But that every person who’s taking the game “serious” uses voices comms is just a incorrect statement - from my perspective.
I’m sorry for obviously not being clear enough about that.
No hard feelings?
I have to agree with OP’s comments about the community. I can see no reason to do anything in this game. My Alpha character hasn’t undocked in ages even though I still have skill training running most of the time. It’s not that the game is hard or all that complicated.I just think that EVE’s player reputation is well deserved and so no matter what a player does, they play solo.
Make friends, but trust nobody. Well, those aren’t friends then. Join a group, but the group is your closest enemy. Seems kind of stupid, unless it WASN"T the entire backbone of EVE game play. The player base goes way out of its’ way to prove they really are as bad as everyone else thinks, and that’s not a good thing. Maybe it’s boredom that drives this.
The game is visually wonderful. The mechanics are decent. The PvE needs work. The PvP is pretty dull mechanically, but has good points. However, is the game worth working on if its’ players take so much effort to keep it from succeeding? I would say no. If that is indeed the case, I guess you will truly win at EVE when CCP shuts the server down.
No point in replying to my post. I guarantee I will never see it.
It isn’t the entire backbone of the game and the game is more about trusting people than anything.
If you can’t find people to trust, I’d suggest that there hasn’t been much effort trying and more effort put into looking for reasons to do the opposite. Most of the community, including those that play in corps, alliances and coalitions, never experience anything but positive interactions with other players. That’s because the community is made up of just ordinary people.
dare i say it’s not likely that it’s not your fault for not finding friends. it’s always interesting to see people completely ignore that it might be them. anyhow, you prove your point well, as you are a part of the player base.
Figured this would be the place to share stuff like this.
This is a slew of mails from an explorer who just lost his 1m Imicus to another semi-combat fit Imicus. Google translate isn’t the best but it was good enough to point out that the things said weren’t nice.
This was a ‘carebear’ player who just wanted to run exploration sites and make some ISK doing so. Toxic.
About 2 hours before this, I attacked and killed a belt ratter. He too was also not aggressive in terms of game mechanics and just wanted to make a little ISK. The difference between the two was that the belt ratter asked why he couldn’t kill me, what my fit was, how certain weapon systems worked etc.
He left with extra knowledge, more ISK than his ship was worth and the right attitude to the game.
Toxicity can’t really be measured by in game actions, at least not in my experience. Ganker, ganked, it doesn’t matter. It’s how it’s handled afterwards and I saw both sides of the coin within a few hours of each other.
I get the impression that in “EVE is toxic” threads like this, everyone has their own definition of what “toxic” means.
My view:
Suicide ganking a miner with a few catalysts is regular gameplay. Gate camping is regular gameplay. Sneaking up on a newbie hacking in a wormhole and blasting him to smithereens is regular gameplay. Someone won, someone lost, most people will shrug and try to learn from the experience so as to prevent it from happening more often.
Hurling homophobic and racist obscenities in local, and saying he’ll find out where your sister lives and do unspeakable things to her IRL however is a very toxic way to respond to losing in a game.
Unfortunately, yes, part of the EVE community is very toxic, and in my experience it’s the “care bears who should go back to WoW” as you put it, who are responsible for most of the toxicity I see.
Poor fools dont understand that by going full-mad they are giving some “griefers” exactly what they want.
Salt mining is real.
There are players with dedicated folders full of rage screenshots which satisfy them far more than isk/killboard ever will.
Players should learn to keep their mouth shut and focus on trying to survive the encounter with minimal loss, including NOT losing their dignity (which arguably is their most valuable and irreplaceable asset overall).
Instead of futile raging, apply anger to revenge plans, learning to never make the same mistakes again, and start thinking how you can replace your losses.
As you point out, its ironically often the “victims” that respond with the most “toxic” reactions.
Never allow your enemy the satisfaction of knowing how badly they have hurt you.
Never show weakness.
Some posters here are “toxic”, insofar as they focus on personal attacks/insults rather than the topics at hand. They are easy to identify and disregard.
Some posters whom deliberately use logical fallacies and other dishonest argumentation strategies are just pursuing their own interests in the EVE meta. Its part of forum warfare. An annoyance sure, but its their prerogative.
Ive never perceived these boards as toxic.
There is a lot of very intricate and informed discussion here.
Ingame, the most vile toxicity ironically comes from “victims”.
As to Fleet/Corp comms etc, its up to CCP/Corp leaders to arbitrate.
Personally I dont care about racist, sexist or whatever comments.
I dont issue them myself, but dont care if someone else issues them. What they choose to say is their own choice and I have no interest in trying to restrict that. If someone else wants to do so though, I dont take issue with that either.
pretty much spot on, never found the forums or the game to be toxic, they’re programs, some people can be toxic and like ya said, easy to spot and easy to block and honestly they’re pretty rare, think i can count on one hand the amount of people i’ve blocked, ya know it might be no one, i don’t remember blocking anyone now that i think about it. people say what they say and most times they don’t put much thought into it, it’s just a forums chat and not something people should take too serious, it gets heated sometimes and people go right to red alert shields up! and from that point on it’s not worth talking about, they’re too defensive now to have an open chat about anything.
There are 8billion people on this planet, and none of us are under any obligation to listen to them all, all of the time, let alone respond to them.
Just as it can be considered reprehensible to intentionally shut one voice out from communicating to you, its equally reprehensible for that person to expect they have somekind of right to piss in your ear constantly just cos they have an opinion.
All depends on the viewpoint. I remember playing a game called “Fallen Earth”. Which is a largeply PVE game with PVP zones in it so at least you had a clear choice. One day me and a friend (both Enforcer Faction) drive on our bikes through a PVP zone and see a CHOTA faction guy. He’s melee (limited range but a lot of damage) and both of us are rifle (long range but not much damage) . So he runs in for a easy kill, I shoot his bike tell my friend “get on your bike” and I get on my bike and we drive off a bit while he’s repairing his bike. I stop to see if he’s coming after us or just continuing. He’s coming after us. So we both get off bikes, I shoot the melee guys bike and he tries to run to us but we get back on bikes and drive around 50meters and stop and look back. He’s repairing and getting back on his bike, comes at us again, I shoot him once for lols then his bike then get back on my bike and drive a little further. This continues and each time he is repairing he is chatting in local. I understand we had a mutual standoff as we couldn’t kill him and he couldn’t kill us. He kept raging and raging in local. Seems the ‘agressor became victim’ and had to vent his frustration of “not getting it how it usually goes”. In the end we decided to have a break and go assist some people doing missions. But even in PVE… damn, frustration really gets to people. And that was a game with not much toxicity and everyone trying to help others (outside of PVP offcourse because you are supposed to fight in a PVP zone).
Every now and then, I go to the chess club, sit down with an opponent and play a standard game. After the game ends, we shake hands, go get something to drink and sit down to discuss the game and analyse what each player could have done better. IMO that’s how mature people should act.
In EVE, well let’s say, things often play out a bit different. Everyone seems to agree that newbies are most toxic, but that’s only half the story. Newbies often come to this game expecting an experience similar to other games they have played before. When they undock their first shiny ship and venture out and get blown to pieces within minutes by a more experienced player, they’re often confused and bitter about the loss of their “favourite” ship, because they have yet to learn that losses are inevitable and that IG hostilities are never to be taken personally. With newbies its easy to the defuse the situation by convoing them after the fight, offering some advice and maybe even ISK to get back on their feet. Veterans however… well… have you ever tried to give advice to a veteran? Have you ever tried to explain to some super elite dude that just recommended a 400dps enyo - mwd - no web - scram - fit to a newbro for use in lowsec to fight dualweb Hawks, that his fit will lose horribly because he simply can’t apply? Have you ever tried to give helpful advice to some super elite dude after a fight in order to be constructive (I FLY WITH NC. YOU SCRUB, I KILLED TRILLIONS WORTH OF STUFF AND YOU’VE NOT EVEN KILLED 100B, BESIDES, YOUR ALLIANCE IS SHIT-TIER - well does not help if you don’t know your 250mil succubus can be killed by a simple dualweb firetail at a fraction of the cost vOv)? Have you ever tried to explain to some leet ganker, that - ironically - gankers are actually easy and fun to gank? Or maybe you’ve tried to convice some old player that his understanding of a game mechanic is just plain wrong (“Look I just know this, ok? Besides, for how long have you been playing again?” - Don’t expect to convince him after he said this, even if you come up with hard evidence that proves him wrong).
But I guess we all have our egos and considering how upset I sometimes get over other players being stubborn, I’m probably more part of the problem than the solution. So, note to self: Play YOUR game and let others play theirs, it’s a sandbox and there’s no right or wrong way to play it. Don’t get into arguments over things that objectively have no right or wrong answer. Besides, some of the toxicity in this game is really only intended to bait dudes into fights they can’t win.
I don’t fly with NC. And that’s not what I’d expect to hear from one of them, but that’s the actual response I got from some dude after I killed him repeatedly.
Rock Paper Scissors is a helpful analogy too.