Of course, did I say otherwise?
yes it is 
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yes it is
CoughâŚ, you replied with the wrong toon? 
No, it was a veiled complaint of âwouldnât it have been better if ____, right guys?â
Maybe youâre not even noticing what youâre typing at this point?
âMan, not being able to [game mechanic that has no counter] sure is unfair!â
âUm, if they did that, it would basically make [activity] impossible to performâŚâ
âHaha, why is gankbaby so upset, lol!? SALT!â
Letâs flip the roles a bit. How about I post how CONCORD ârestrictsâ ganker âcounter play at least for the main characters.â Then youâll respond with a rational explanation of the imbalances that would be created if CONCORD were removed, and Iâll respond to that by asking why youâre so âupset.â
Seriously, youâd be a much nicer person to talk to if half of your posting wasnât made with the intent of getting these little passive-aggressive jabs in about how gankers et cetera are âsaltyâ or âangryâ or âupsetâ or whatever.
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It was to explain why most players in hisec canât use their mains. It was an observation of that fact and that fact alone, it explains why so many people do not AG, because they canât afford to set up an alt for it as most only have one account. Using their main exposes them to serious loss. I was never really sure about KRâs as such, and when I found out how slow they were to update and how they were being gamed I was even less impressed. IN fact apart from giving a little more risk to Tornado gankers, they are pretty useless.
I was not commenting on the rights or wrongs of said mechanics or looking at CONCORD, I took it as you going off on another tangent to score a point, if that was not the case than I apologise.
I am not a fan of CONCORD, but I am not sure what other method CCP could use. The whole thing is a pretty imperfect mess for both sides.
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Alpha accounts are free, and having a viable AG character within the limit of 5M SP is quite possible (can even use the Tornado).
The reason why most people donât AG is two-fold:
- Itâs a thankless, unrewarding activity where the only incentives for engaging in it are principle-based.
- The grand majority of players who would be on the AG side of EVEâs great moral divide are players who donât touch any PvP content with a ten-foot pole.
Iâve always maintained that while I think that AG is a valid play style, and players are free to play as they wish, on a very fundamental level I advise players to not be AGs because most of the players they save are not worth saving.
A much better use of time would be to run a mercenary corporation where specific protection/escort services can be purchased, or maybe provided at ganking hot-spots on a blanket coverage model via a standings-based subscription service.
Providing this service for free will only make potential victims become more complacent and feel more entitled to safety.
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A solo Alpha account is pretty limited, not having a scout makes it very difficult to get in the right place at the right time. I could say more on this but I donât want to to say too much as it involves another player, but my comment that it takes a multi-boxer to deal with a multi-boxer is one of the reasons why this is sub-optimal.
In the end the only thing one can do to have an effect is go on a scout murdering session which is what most AG players did with their solo Alpha accounts. There is an AG corp that specialised in that and has ships paid for by Thomas.
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I would agree with that, but you you are missing another reason to do it, which is to oppose them because they need opposing otherwise it is certain ISK.
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That is a sweeping generalisation and not really correct. Most people donât do it because it is difficult and futile and offers them no real gain. Lucas Kell is spot on with his assessment on why people do not AG.
I donât think it is a valid play style for all but the most committed players. Furthermore it is really only a decision for most players to resist gankers on an ad hoc basis and will always be something the majority of people do every so often. Which is one of the reasons I donât knock the fun factor from getting on CONCORD kills.
Another thing is that some players are most definitely worth saving, I came across multiple hisec freighter players who had a really good attitude doing contracts and getting ganked. These people were taking big risks and to do what they wanted to do, and most of them got wiped out completely, so that they could no longer do the contracts. I got talking to a few that were forced to give up because they ran out of ISK and the ability to sustain the losses. I was talking to people who were hisec freighter pilots who were forced out of the game, hence my push on bumping for example.
I have had discussions about offering services in the past, some people tried to go down this route but got no takers. Please note that you are suggesting something that not a single mercenary group has ever done because they just cannot push their players to do it, they want kills, so they hub camp, pipe camp, gate camp and kill structures. It sounds like a good idea, but no one who wants to PvP will spend time being a nurse maid like that to a freighter or JF like they used to do in nullsec at one point. No one in Eve would do that, it is boring and tedious and the limitations based on hisec mechanics give no real value as they are one step behind every time.
AG could take out the scouts first, they could take out the tackle too with expandable accounts too, but we would need a team of players operating their dedicated single Alpha accounts to do this. They would also have to b really dedicated people to wait around for gankers to log in and become active. It is kinda like setting up a trap for an AFK cloaky, or sitting on a Titan waiting to jump in on something
Most people doing alliance logistics do it because they like doing it, they do it on off alliance alts and do it solo, you could ask major nullsec alliances why they do not escort their logistics players JFâs and freighters? And that would answer why it does not happen. They could do it, they seriously could, but they just donât care.
This kind of merc is a pipe dream, it really is, I too was hoping that this could happen but sadly even though this game is quite close to real life at times in terms of organisations and being deep and all, in this area it just never gets close, people donât want to spend their time doing this, and this is why it never happens. I can assure you that people have tried to set this up and failed dismally.
EDIT: @Githany_Red - It may be possible to develop this with a really committed group of players having fun together as you are doing, I am watching your play with a lot of interest. Scarcity perhaps will make nullsec blocs more aware of the strategic nature of their logistics and if so would add greatly to the game. What Destiny suggested is what I too wanted to see develop. One of the reasons I pushed for bumping to be changed was to make it more difficult to stack up held targets, so it become harder to control where, so AG could concentrate and have a chance. Another reason I was happy about NIarja as there is now one pipe. If we can just get -10 excluded from NPC stations we can perhaps have in place enough drivers to create meaningful content around ganking.
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It probably feels righteous to him to âeven the scalesâ, considering that salt, anger, upset are the obvious goal of the majority of those gankers.
Youâre not wrong in your assessment, but that seems to be part of the EvE experience to have blatant hypocrisy on both sides. I donât think Iâve seen an example of anti-gankers/miners/pve players sending you folks a âhow was your forum post lockâ survey form, or a âcan you describe your butthurt over this new ganking nerf?â query.
A lot of the posters here would be a lot more interesting if they werenât dropping sneers into half their replies.
Yourself included.
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I hate replying like I do at times, as I have said numerous times I reply back in the same way that I feel that I have been replied to, I work on the basis that I treat others as they treat me. But I am not afraid to apologise like I did above. I will try to do better.
Because Destiny had been talking to me in a better way I had deblocked him, and I think that was a genuine reaction to my reply, which in my case was not meant as a dig, because I was just talking about the affect KRâs had on AG using mains. So I apologised for taking his reply on a different tangent as a troll attempt.
The forums here have developed so many people in a bad way, myself included.
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No doubt.
Look, I have tried to never once insult the intelligence of the âsuddenly betrayalâ gang, because evidently they have intelligence to spare.
Itâs seeing people you know are smart acting like asshats that annoys.
Destiny is smart and more or less consistent in it.
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Well for a short time in Uedama we had a very nice fleet at one point I couldnât count the number of sentry drones.
X100 gang left to gank some where else , they kept scouting the sivala gate but instead ganked at the juu gate .
Which really highlights a new problem, before when gankers ganked unopposed and we indeed failed they had no need to move ,now we force them to change and that gives them the vital seconds they need.
So it shows we are such a threat now they have to avoid us and secondly we need new tactics
Outmaneuvered.
If you canât beat them - join them.
How do you guys earn ISK from this?
Some freighter pilots we save give us isk , others see what we do and give us ships.
Many of us have alts that make us isk and the older players support the new players with ships to do ag work, after all the ships we use are often cheap as we are targets for being ganked ourselves.
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Ganking is good. Ganking is right.
Ganking clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Ganking for fun, ganking for love, ganking will save EVE.
A gank a day keeps the doctor way.
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From a poem generator I found;
The Ganker and the Gankee
Rhyming Couplet Ideas by Anonymous
See the Ganking of the man,
I think heâs angry at the plan.
He finds it hard to see the Retriever,
Overshadowed by the Small mountain fever.
Who is that Mining near the Catalyst?
I think sheâd like to eat the philatelist.
She is but a Yellow girl,
Admired as she sits upon a pearl.
Her Numerous car is just a Destroyer,
It needs no gas, it runs on whitmoyer.
Sheâs not alone she brings a Barge,
a pet Orca, and lots of extra large.
The Orca likes to chase an Asteroid,
Especially one thatâs in the hemorrhoid.
The man shudders at the Bright cat
He want to leave but she wants the mat.
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Ganking is good
Ganking is fine
Ganking is right
Ganking is mine
I love to gank
Yes, I do
cuz ganking is great
Yes, it is
I gank all day
Watch me go
Githany is a bad
but I am so great
Retrievers and freighters
Ventures and marauders
Everything gets ganked
cuz ganking is great
HateleSS just hates
Subway just cries
but most people gank
cuz ganking is great
Githany ganks, yes she does
Knowledgeminer ganks, oh yes
cuz ganking is good
and ganking is great
You can gank with an alpha
or gank with an omega
CCP allows ganking
cuz ganking is great
I gank with my friends
and also with strangers
I sure love ganking
cuz ganking is great
Arrendis just moans
and Dryson is wrong
Dracvlad just spams
but ganking is great
The CSM goes ganking
I see Mike ganking
Brisc ganks too
cuz ganking is great
Merkelchen is ganking
Nomnom is too
the CSM knows
that ganking is great
CCP invented ganking
everybody can gank
ganking is EVE
and EVE is great!
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Hurrah the Peapoleâs Princess has returned
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