Every aspect that can be played AFK should be eleminated from the game.
So you’re only goal is to spam to poullte feedback .
Roger i note that and i will act in consequence on each of you’re post on this topic.Fact said, and people said : you will have a lot of side effect. CCP could you please check they BEFORE making any kind of nerf.
Indeed, you can tell a troller because they always adopt a bizarrely anti-player stance, using any logic they can, making their position seem even more trollishly disingenuous. They are committed to trying to get in-between you and CCP. Simply ignore them once you’ve identified such a player, you owe them nothing.
Again, CCP, this change will clearly empower actual bots, and is a derogation of the player experience.
CCP, what are you doing? Make new activities more engaging to encourage more interaction, don’t simply force spurious busywork on players trying to accomplish bread-and-butter goals on a Gameworld not engineered with these mechanics in-mind, it’s not just poor game design, it’s not designed at all (hence why a patch that would want players to engage more will end with less engagement and empowered botting activity).
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You mean you can’t surf on the net or play with an other account, etc, while you afk-ratting with a droneship and making money with 1 click/ever 5 min?
… and all the krabs and bot-aspirants looked up and shouted “Save us!”. And CCP looked down and whispered “No”.
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And hunter will cry in few month beacause 0.0 is empty of target.
Why are you creating a false story to attack me with? I am never AFK (or more accurately, away from eve, AFE) whilst my ships are performing any kind of in-game activity. I simply don’t want to have to do more work whilst bots are thusly advantaged over me.
Beacause when they have no argumentation they try to make personnal attack.
Maybe you not, but most ratters just doint that.
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Calm down, hunters will always find targets. If all PVE-ers leaves, there are plenty of PVP-ers who still do PVE and can be hunted. Also less ratters just make bounty prices up 
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then you are against a guy multibox 15 accounts and camp a whole region too?
Already wrong on step 1.
If Jhonny that multiboxes 10 accounts stops playing because he’s outraged by the change, then other players will take his spot ratting, because it’s litteraly free real state for them.
If Player A can’t do activity X anymore because their playstyle got nerfed, then players B, C, D… X, Z can take their spot if they aren’t willing to adapt.
Null alliances have thousands of players, so there’s definitely plenty of players in there who will be glad there’s more free anoms to rat in that aren’t already taken by Jhonny001, Jhonny002, Jhonny007, and so on.
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And they are all free to be hunted, scanned down, and killed, in game.
It’s bad enough when anti-bot changes impinge on game players (such as how DRM only hurts people who actually buy games and not those who pirate 'em) But when a change benefits botters buy creating a mass of mechanical busywork, it has to be called out.
I could just as well suggest that we must all hold down W for our ships to move forward…It’s not right that our ships just move without constant player input! Obviously a ridiculous suggestion, the game was designed without such a level of input being required. Likewise, suggesting, supporting changes to existing game elements by making them even less fun, leading to less engagement, is plain bad sense.
That said CCP gave us the Trigs Vs Edencom event, possibly the grindiest mess I’ve ever seen in an MMO, and it lasted months. They seem to think that vicious grinding is the way forward. I wish they didn’t.
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Ok.
CCP never said this was to fix bots.
No, newcomers in Gila/Ishtars will make the same, no actually more ISK/h after these changes. They just need to lock up targets and activate their drones now which should be more lucrative.
This is not a change at all for actively piloted ships.
This is about the economy. They want reward active play more and passive play less. It’s clearly spelled out in the OP by CCP Paradox.
It is. AFK ratting is literally “less or no attention gameplay” and CCP does not like it. The change to drones makes sense with those objectives.
Ok, can’t correct you here. 
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If you play ratting actively, its not hard to push a button at a new tartget, so don’t need to make drama of it. A lot of people who don’t use drone boats can push fire button at every new target also.
So i dont really understand your point. Only people who don’t like this change are the ones who semi afk-ed while ratting, or who done it with multiple accounts. They found ratting boring but something that they could done while doing other things. That is just afk money generating basicly. These things have to be eleminated from the game. You play the game or not play the game, that should be the 2 solution only, not a 3rd solution like not playing the game but making money anyways.
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Already confirmed by CSM that won’t be affected.
0 nerfs.
Just target frigates like everything else while you kill bigger ships, and deal with priority targets properly.
I’ve been using a Barghest for lvl4 missions over the past month.
Had to target frigates often due to them attacking cruisers or other unrelated ships, and it’s much better to leave them on passive for most missions to avoid killing a trigger prematurely.
Oh yes, newbros, think of the children, right?
Newbros who are happy to be playing the game won’t mind dealing with priority targets.
Someone previously mentioned how much newbros ratting in myrmidons will suffer with this change…
A newbro ratting in a single client? Nope.
A random guy ratting in 10 clients? Sure, but ■■■■ them.
That’s not a newbro.
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Reading this thread is making me sad. Eve has a lot of older players that have a life on the side. The game was designed that way, and the skill mechanism rather than EXP is a good example. Passive mining is another one. Drone, being very slow at clearing rooms, is yet another one.
Being able to AFK farm is a risky chance that allows you to do other tasks, such as planning your next production, your next vacation, reading the forum, browsing the market, etc. The PVE in this game is mostly boring, and always has been. It’s often a way to get money in order to do other things, such as PVP. I’m not saying it shouldn’t change, but this is clearly not what this update is. This is not some way of making the PVE more thrilling for drone boats, it’s a way of forcing people off PVE altogether.
In fact, CCP has been pushing everyone toward PVP. Blackout, ESS, Ore clusterf*ck, now this ? It’s pretty obvious that their only concern is being able to drop a Facebook post every week displaying how active and how great PVP is, with a stupid ISK-to-Dollar conversion. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they added a feature where killing a player gives you ISK based on ship size just like PVE. A lot of you complain about AFK multiboxing while probably having AFK cloaky alts scattered around.
Remember that without PVE players, most of faction/DED stuff wouldn’t be available for your PVP ships. You trigger-fingers despise everything that is not PVP-based but you’ll be crying when your ships and modules cost 10x the current price. Narrow-minded, selfish and short-sighted is what you are.
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Elaborate why basically eliminating one of the main moneymaking avenues is good for the game.
I mean you do realize all the fun stuff (pvp) needs to be paid for somehow?
And no, the argument “you can do something other than ratting” does not work here, because:
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CCP seems to be after all money making avenues, not just ratting. I guarantee you that at some point, industry, abyssals and other stuff like that are gonna get the same treatment.
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There is no such thing as a “free respec” in this game. People have invested large amounts of time to make their ratting accounts, only for all but one of them to become non-viable because of CCP’s whims.
People tends to say always that, but first, PVP players also doing PVE, so that’s not true. If prices become higher, than material prices become higher, so doing PVE will just worth more.
As you said in your first paragraph, now you can’t surf on the net, plan your vacation, etc, while you making ISK and inflating the economy in the background. You need to play EVE. Push a button to apply damage to a target. That’s you guys only problem, that you can’t make money afk, thats all.
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For my personally ? Yes and no. Yes, I would like to be able to continue making a couple mill AFK, that’s very true. But it’s not the reason by itself. I have a limited amount of time I can play EVE per week, and I’m mostly industrial. As I farm, I plan my PI and Indus production. I don’t have 15 accounts, so I’m not having that much of an impact, but still. I liked the fact that drones were slow at cleaning, but gave you a steady income. Now, if I have to deal with this update, so be it.
Sadly, I’m not sure the reason behind this update is truly what people think.
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Indeed.
If you want ISK while not playing the game, just buy PLEX with the money you would have spent on your ratting account. You probably will make just as much, and will be able to plan your vacation or chat with your friends without distraction of listening for your intel system chiming.
It will also help lower the price of PLEX and make it more accessible for players who actually want to play Eve to realistically PLEX their account, especially newer ones.
This silliness of AFK income needs to go. There are still safe and even low-attention activities available if you want to chill with your friends, but this incentive for veterans to spin up more and more accounts is corrosive for a game like this, especially after skill injectors were added.
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