because not everyone want to use a damn carrier and stop acting like you all that and ■■■■. my gila earn 10m for every20munites but i can sit back and chat with peoples while 4 account running if ratting is so much fun peoples wouldnt do it
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Well now you won’t be able to. Adapt or die.
you are right after 16yrs i should die
Did this get implemented? I’m just reading this now and can’t help but feel the devs are being utterly retarded. The grind to make ISK to enjoy other aspects of the game is slow and boring. The fact that you can AFK rat is the only reason why i do it. sit there and click F. CCP stop making stupid ass decisions. The game is already painful.
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Game too hard, make easy or Ogg quit
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Really?
I would have expected more from you.
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They are increasing the risk factor for people wanting to do things in that system (from Mining to Ratting to even just logistics) because at any moment, they could light a cyno and hotdrop you. you don’t know if they are AFK, or if they are actively setting up a warpin on your postion. As a result, less activiy happens in the system. as a result, the Activity Defence Multiplier goes down. making the system easier to attack. All by 99% of the time being AFK. Now, If CCP were to add an “AFK flag” on a character in local, so we know that no commands have been issued by them for at least 5 minutes or something? and once AFK, you can’t do anything for 30s after you come back maybe? that would solve the issue.
Edit: To expand on the core of the issue, you don’t know WHEN they are AFK vs just cloaked and active. So you have to Assume they are active 100% of the time. Good cloaky campers will make sure drops and stuff happen regularly enough that it’s a high risk.
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why is that an “issue”?
In general why is semi afk but legit non botted gameplay an issue… like at all?
So, it’s nothing to do with their gameplay, it’s your gameplay that is changing things, glad you explained that so clearly.
On topic, Drones are fine with this change.
Why is Drones auto targeting any issue then? it’s Semi-AFK.
This drone change if anything is a NERF to Humans while bots won’t care, Manually controlling drones has always been more efficient so most bot makers probably don’t even need to change their code for this drone change.
CCP has also stated this is to remove AFK gameplay, not combat bots. so why not raise other AFK gameplay for attention? one that actually impacts others, Auto drones have no affect on other players.
They are impacting my gameplay, while AFK. and if you read the WHOLE post, They are weakening the defence of the system making the system easier to attack, which is a direct impact on Sov By being AFK.
I just can not get my head around the logic of this decision at all.
Ratting is the worst and best activity in Eve. It’s the worst because it is ridiculously boring but on the other hand it allows you to be social.
I really think CCP should think more creatively if AFK ratting is such a big problem. I think they call it “flash points”. The new ESS system and the nerf to Drones is a WTF moment for me. What sort of game do we want people? A game where there are ratters not paying attention because they are running them AFK or a game where instead of having 10 potential targets it wil now be 5 because of “F”. Honestly these devs are dangerous and it’s killing all enjoyment of the game.
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@Hamoud_Hibra
“Why is Drones auto targeting any issue then? it’s Semi-AFK.”
-> i agree, its a non issue imo.
I am a fairly new player, started this game seriously just a few month ago so my opinion may does not hold as much value as someone who is playing this for 17 years.
Plus I am not affected from nullsec ratting stuff since i am still a high sec noob.
But for a new player doing anything “worthwile” in this game is allready hard enough.
I dont get the need in nerfing drones, it does not only affect superior nullsec ratting chads, it’ll give a harder time for everyone and for no reason.
My biggest achievments so far was working to get an abyss Gila and an Orca. Gila for active gameplay in abyss, nerfed. And orca for semi afk relax, nerfed. I have like a 15 seconds target lock timer on my Orca and highsec mining is allready totally screwed by the fact CCP is incapable or unwilling in dealing with botting empires.
So now i have to unlock all my Rocks and target 4 frigs at least stealing 1 minute mining time like every 4-5 minutes. Why?
This does not make the game more “fun” and it does not give more “adrenaline rush” or anything. This only puts more power in the hand of botters, plexers and RMT.
Mining, even more than ratting, is a VERY stupid and boring task. I ONLY do it BECAUSE i can semi afk.
If you force me to do it active i will just quit doing it and thus spend significantly less time in your game.
And no: i wont p2w the bots to do it for me.
And i really dont get why so many ppl are so arrogant and ignorant to tell anyone who is criticising this to “leave the game give me ur stuff”.
Yeah gj, sooner or later you will have no new players at all for ur space monopoly.
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I actually have no issue with drones, at it’s worst, it doesn’t affect OTHER’s gameplay, only your own. if anything, it increases people being around for hunters to kill because if you are Semi AFK and not paying attention, people can come along and kill you, there is a Risk/Reward ratio with drones and Semi-AFKing.
I have an issue with people who cloak in a system and then go AFK, they affect other people’s gmaeplay directly, while potentially being 100% AFK.
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This is wrong. It will decrease my outgoing DPS in gila abyss and force me to actively manage my combat drone while the only thing i wanna do is semi afk mine.
And i am sure this is a nerf to many, many more active gameplay scenarios aswell it does NOT only affect semi afk.
When i mine, i clean my house or do wtf ever: but the point is i am brain afk from the game.
So I will not do it if i am forced to micro manage my drones and targets like every time some belt rats jump in. Mining is so stupid, boring AND unrewarding it should be as afk’able as possible.
Cuz otherwise soon you wont have a single legitimate miner left in the game and only bots.
If miners are no more. CCP will just use those Diamond Miners and Haulers to provide ores. Industrialist will just buy those ores and reprocess.
It was the logic that bothered me. I tend to extend thoughts and lines of thought. I have found this thread AND the afk cloaky thread closely related in style and substance.
If you do something and they are changing it then you are hit hard. But if you do not want to admit that what you are doing has value (to you) then you try to divert and distract with other specious arguments about botters and such. Apparently such distraction works well, here, as you can see by the post count in this thread.
If you do not do it then you probably do not care enough to even take part in this thread. I don’t afk run drones, too paranoid to leave my ships to their own devices and worry about coming back to a pod. I am here to listen to try to find good comments pro and con to take to ccp.
That does not mean that what I take will make a change, stop a train, turn the ship. But if I say I have brought something to them then I have. If they have told me things yet to come then I have to keep that to myself until they announce but I still can take part in discussions . . . and do.
I have played games that will log you off if you spend too long without doing something. I do NOT want to see that happen in Eve but if
is stated as a goal then I would listen. I would also, as I am wont to do, extend that thinking, that line of thought.
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Yes…and what is WRONG with that?
Exaclty. Understandable, isnt it???
No? We do LIKE our brain afk gameplay? And again whats wrong with that?
Half the god damn game is based arround afk gameplay. People do like it, because they can progress legitimately semi afk WITHOUT p2w plex or RMT for bots.
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Nice. AFK miners are no. 1 in zkill statistics in terms of gank. Maybe, Bunch of isk is more important than Humiliation for afk miners.
I’m pretty sure this argument is about the people posting in this thread saying that CCP should work on more dynamic and entertaining PvE content, rather than push out small changes like this.
Shipwreck was simply commenting on how there’s already good PvE content like the abyss, that pays out very well, but the same people complaining about lack of good PvE don’t do abyss, simply because they can’t do it semi-AFK/AFK.
Yes, it’s understandable.
Does it justify not changing it though? No, it doesn’t.
EVE has stimulated and rewarded players for multiboxing for a long time, but now with some leadership changes, CCP finally started to realize that perhaps depending economically on too few people isn’t a good idea.
Old players should get used to the concept that from now on, multiple accounts won’t get exponential income benefits like they used to, and will be mostly useful for tactical advantages and assigning different tasks to different skilled chars.
Everyone will still be able to multibox as much as they want, but being able to generate passive income from multiple chars at once won’t be as easy as it used to, as it will require some actual effort to manage.
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