You personally are certainly kill on sight, just like EM, Mizhara, and several other groups and individuals that have shown hostile intent to Amarr.
GSF as a whole is a generally hostile but distant entity, probably the closest comparison is the Angels.
Our issuing war decs is entirely a tactical decision, not a change of diplomatic state. That is, they are done for immediate objectives and not as statements of principle. Our naming you a -10 target is the statement of principle, the war dec is just the paperwork to CONCORD to be able to shoot you if we make the call to do so.
To point out two obvious differences that would affect this tactical decision:
Samira is 100% of Cail Avetatu. Darkar is 50% of The Ghosts of Kahah. You are, what, .003% of GSF?
PIEâs area of operations is Thebeka. You seem to be operating in an entirely different system.
Now I expect from a purely tactical perspective, 1. would be enough, on itâs own, to keep us from bothering with you so long as you are hiding behind a bee logo. But when you combine the two, itâs not a discussion that we have even bothered to have.
You realize that you just went from âwe do this as a matter of principleâ to âwe do this because we think we can get away with picking on a smaller groupâ, right? That you threw any pretext of âprinciplesâ in your wardecs away?
I was gonna edit this in, but I donât want to give the impression that I put this in before Aldrith posted (since I took so long writing this bit):
Thereâs nothing wrong with making the tactical decision of âweâre not poking that bear because even though thereâs only like a 0.001% chance theyâll notice, their pilots just might be bored enough. After all, they just dropped 1000 guys in a wormhole for a week mostly out of boredomâ. That is totally legitimate calculus. Frankly, itâs the sane option.
However, if youâre going to go and issue all of these statements about why youâre declaring war on Cail Avetatu that revolve around âsheâs a terroristâ, âshe worked with UâKâ, âshe dared to shoot backâ and âsheâs allowing a refugee relief station to operate on her citadel, the fiend!!â, while making a big show of piety and faithfulness without including the naked calculus of âand we think we can winâ then youâre just being hypocritical if you donât apply those same standards uniformly.
Faith, after all, doesnât ask you to do whatâs easy. A divine mandate doesnât tell you 'unless, you know, itâs dangerous. If anything, the test of faith would be specifically to acknowledge âthis will be difficultâ and do it anyway.
And just to make this abundantly clear in the face of Aldrithâs pithy, but ultimately foolish statement: Principles that you donât hold to in the face of difficulty and danger arenât principles, theyâre conveniences. Masks you like to wear to tell yourself âsee, this is meâ, but you abandon as soon as wearing them might call on them to mean something.
What I just outlined is not a change in PIEâs position of any sort, though I am sure you are entirely capable of finding ways to selectively quote and twist words of myself or other PIE members to justify your stance.
The matter of principle is the initial declaration of -10 status. Once that decision is made, then PIE command considers a war justified whenever it is tactically appropriate. But it isnât a new diplomatic status. From PIEâs perspective, there has not been a notable change in Darkarâs status from before our declaration to after it, the only change is that we have CONCORD permission to shoot.
As such, my statements of justification in this thread have been for the KoS status that effectively takes the cover off the wardec button. So yes, you are correct that they apply to Arrendis.
Well, as far as claims that Iâm âselectively quotingâ and âtwistingâ your words, let me just give you this bit of advice from one of our diplos:
If you donât want to have your words quoted back at you when you go and contradict them, donât put them in a public statement. And if you canât make a public statement you wonât later contradict, donât be the person speaking publicly about why your alliance does a thing.
Because youâve done it again. You didnât cite any of the above as âcauses for diplomatic statusâ or even âcauses for a declaration of -10 statusâ. You specifically opened that part of the discussion by talking about what was included on your list as a âcause of our decision to declare war on Kernherâs corporationâ
Edit: Really. Just stop typing. PR is all about crafted semantics, and thereâs a reason I donât make public-facing statements on behalf of Goonswarm. None of my questions have been on the allianceâs behalf, theyâve just been about your intentions. Now, even though youâre typing at the moment, Iâll make this offer: donât say anything stupid, and Iâll just ignore whatever it is you do say. Deal?
Nah. Iâd just have to pay for the dec out of pocket. Weâve done similar things in the last couple of months. And letâs face it, itâs a lot more convenient for me that you canât shoot at me until I rep someone elseâs ship.
Wow you caught me in a slight imprecision of language early in a discussion, one that I have just clarified at length. You then took it entirely out of context, from an entirely different thread, to use as a gotcha. Yeah, I think I look so bad right now.
There are plenty of places you can find where I have stuck my foot in my mouth. This ainât one of them.
Remember what I said about not saying something stupid? When the two threads are both in part about the situation in Thebeka and both threads of the conversation are about PIEâs wardec against Samira, trying to act like statements in one shouldnât be looked at when considering whatâs said in the other?
Donât worry, Alizabeth, sniping at Arrendis is my irregularly scheduled âtransit time between the actually important thingsâ entertainment. The Excubitoris chapter have been quite busy working to quell this revolt in space and on the ground today, though our ground commanders have reported a slowdown in progress due to some incredibly bad weather on Thebeka III.
I am impressed by the bravery of the forces that have come to aid The Ghosts of Kahah. They are misguided, but also remarkably pugnacious.
Fighting in space has continued throughout the last day, with pitched structure centered conflicts in both Thebeka IIIâs vicinity and the Dresi III planetoidâs vicinity with the Ghosts of Kahah and allies. There has also been varied skirmishing in Thebeka and Irnal with both The Ghosts of Kahah + supporters and Cail Avetatu + supporter.