I disagree, but that doesn’t matter. They weren’t bound to do anything. They were given a choice.
Brainwashed people aren’t given choices, they’re set loose to do the things they were brainwashed to do.
And you think they weren’t getting counseling and medical care and all the same ■■■■ you’d expect from any emancipation effort? One that was a joint project between me and Minmatar loyalists? How much further are you going to try and stretch this to claim a win, Havohej?
My record speaks for itself. Just like yours.
My facilities featured medical care, counseling, vocational training and a host of other benefits, including spiritual rehabilitation. But all anyone ever talks about is the part they disagreed with. I’m giving you the same thing I got, Kernher. I disagree with your sending a horde of Jareks into a Republic ill-equipped to deal with them, so I’m harping on that point.
You are an insurrectionist no better than the MIO. You are a hypocrite no better than myself.
Because deliberately killing your patients kind of overrides anything else you might have done.
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And I have acknowledged that I did not handle that situation correctly. That I was wrong.
You have yet to do so.
It seems that, by any reasonable and objective standard, I am more worthy of forgiveness than you are.
Anyone want to take a bet before his title list is longer than @Vaari’s?
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HERE WE GO
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Seb Sisters Forever.
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Except Chakaid’s while equally undeserved, actually give him far too much power to not to cause concern for anyone paying the slightest bit of attention.
Says the Sansha…
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[ 2019.02.20 13:27:22 ] Havohej > I stand by the decisions I made and the reasons I made them. I won't apologize for ordering those freed slaves' deaths, to anyone.
Why would I need to? I didn’t do anything wrong. I didn’t murder anyone. I didn’t hurt anyone. I didn’t impose my beliefs on anyone. We gave everyone all the physical and psychological care they could need, and let them believe in what they wished and to go where they wanted.
I mean, I’m sure there were things I could have done better, there always is. But you keep ■■■■■■■ trying to stretch this line; it’s not going to go anywhere.
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So… you’re god, now?
I mean, it seems to me that even if I don’t believe in the Amarr god, I can’t disprove the correctness of their theology any more than they can prove its correctness. I can argue against it, I can show how all of their claims are baseless, but I can’t show those claims to be incorrect. And that’s a thing, you know?
Because without being able to show those claims to be incorrect, without being able to show ‘what you believe is a lie you’ve been fed’, than to say ‘you can either give up your beliefs or face my judgment’ puts you in the same category as the Amarr who initiated the Day of Darkness. If you want to show them there’s a better way, if you want to get them to question the things they’ve been taught to believe, you have to show them a better way. And that can only start by offering them what they haven’t been given before: acceptance without pre-conditions, without making it dependant on ‘if you say you believe the right things’.
And really, a Republic of 9 trillion people being ill-equipped ot deal with a million freed slaves, not all of whom will even want to stay in the Republic? That’s kind of straining credulity, isn’t it? It’d be like a nation of 100 million claiming it can’t handle 11 people.
SUCK IT, CHUCKIT! (shut up, I wanted to rhyme.)
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Pot meet kettle.
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Ok, Vlad, I realize that as you’re basically a Hobgoblin II in a meatsuit, the subtlety might be lost on you, but neither pots, nor kettles, are toasters.
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No, it isn’t a thing. You cannot prove a negative.
And? I still haven’t. I still won’t. It was wrong of me to kill nearly 30 thousand people. I am not sorry that I did so. I do stand by the reason that I did it. Given the whole thing to do again, I would do something different - but the reasons would be identical.
You truly believe this, don’t you? Every Republic citizen that those people converted and radicalized against their own people and every death they caused, every one of them that was murdered in the backlash against their attempts to do so just like Jarek’s “salvation crusaders” were murdered, every one of those lives is on you.
Fixed.
The ■■■■ you’d have to bring them here for? Send them back to where they came from if they are so keen on being reclaimed.
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You’re just assuming the faithful ones went to the Republic. That, what, I just sent all one million to the Republic or something? Some went to the Republic. Some went to the Empire. Some to the Federation. Maybe some even to the State. I don’t know the specifics. They had the choice.
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Ok. Obviously, I wasn’t clear enough in my communication, and that’s on me. What I mean is: It’s significant and impactful that, no matter how well I can demonstrate that the Amarr claims are not inescapable truths, I cannot disprove them for the same reasons. That distinction is ‘a thing’. It matters. It impacts and affects how people can be expected to receive your message. Following that, it impacts what expectations you can have for their receptiveness, and how effective you can expect various courses of action should be. As a result, that distinction directly alters what your optimal solutions are.
A society which cannot survive the introduction of, and discussions about, a foreign ideology is fundamentally incapable of enduring anyway. Do you really think our people are so weak as to need to fear people trying to convince them ‘hey, those guys who attacked us, enslaved us, and abused us for centuries are the good guys!’? Really?
I mean, I know I’m a cynical misanthrope, but even I tend to give us more credit than falling for that one.
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This is why I continue to own and study Amarrians.
You’re absolutely correct. This is why I say, now, that given the entire thing to do over again, I wouldn’t have killed the thirty thousand or so people who were still in Phase One after seven months, and why I would’ve addressed core design flaws in the program and the facilities themselves much more quickly in order to avoid the excessive number of incidental deaths that occurred throughout.
Unfortunately, nobody’s going to hand me one million freed slaves all at once again any time soon, so I’m afraid everyone will just have to take my word for that.