So you have let them remake you in their own image. Congratulations on being a partially-successful Reclaiming.
Because that’s basically what you’re advocating: that we become them. That we don’t allow people to believe in their own faiths, talk about their own faiths, and even (GASP!) educate people about their own faiths. There’s really no middle-ground here. Either a society is accepting of foreign ideas, in which case, what’s the gorram problem with Sami letting people go where they want, or it isn’t, in which case, congratulations on advocating for Amarrian-style Orthodoxy pogroms.
If we don’t want to be slaves, that means we have to reject more than just them enslaving us. It means we have to reject slavery. We have to reject involuntary chattel servitude and the fedo crap behaviors that support and are supported by it. If those people were freed, then they’re free, and they can go where they choose. To tell them they can’t is to tell them they’ve traded one slavemaster for another… to do Amarr’s work for them.
Making ourselves into some kind of Tribal Purity Zone just means they win. And really, screw that and anyone who pushes for it.
This religious freedom ■■■■■■■■ is a Gallente idea. Just one of many corrosive elements foisted upon the Minmatar worldview by a manipulative “ally.” I believe it’s past time the Republic rejected it in favor of traditional Minmatar values and beliefs.
If anything, it sounds like a win/win. If I were still a Republic loyalist, I don’t see why I would be unhappy with such an outcome. Paging Sanmatar Shakor.
So you spend generations indoctrinating them, and then you scatter them like spores on the galactic winds to spread your cancerous religious beliefs across the cluster like so many theological weeds?
Effective. Why the rest of New Eden doesn’t rise up against the Amarr the way they rose up against Sansha Kuvakei’s vision, I’ll never understand.
(Not to interrupt, but a bit of context: The Amarr never (really) directly invaded the Federation or the State. However, if you recall, your up-jumped Caldari god-complex arms dealer (a very Minmatar person who lines up with traditional Minmatar values apparently) definitely attacked every major empire and independents in null)
I’m sure it doesn’t. You hold people in involuntary servitude. You use methods and practices designed to make them believe what you have decided they should believe. You condemn them to either continue to suffer this, or die, until they become what you have decided they should be.
You are a bargain-bin Amarr knockoff: half the price, questionable quality, and probably not even all that good at what you claim to do.
Like what? What’ve you got that isn’t either a reconstructed patchwork of dubious authenticity, or a half-remembered rumor passed down through generations of word-of-mouth? Ooh, I know: we didn’t practice war. That was a traditional Minmatar value, back then! 700 years without war. You ready to embrace that one? Somehow, I kinda doubt it.
Look, I don’t like the Gallente crap, myself. I don’t. But the fact of the matter is that right now, the Tribal Republic is a patchwork of seven different umbrella cultures and hierarchies. Five of those seven are themselves patchworks of thousands of sub-cultures. (The Starkmanir and Nefantar, not so much.) Really, if you want to find things where everyone agrees on even so much as what ‘traditional Minmatar values and beliefs’ even are… you’re outta luck.
We have to move forward, and we have to move forward with who we are, not who you imagine we were a thousand years ago, or who you like to imagine we’re ‘supposed’ to be. And who we are is a work in progress. It’s always going to be.
So go ahead and keep on wanking off to your fantasy of a Minmatar Republic that’s little more than a brownish parody of the Empire that raped and brutalized us. You show more and more why neither you, nor the people who freely embrace you, should ever be thought of as ‘worthy of forgiveness’.
This is factually incorrect. That’s not what my study is designed to accomplish at all.
Progress that should never have been corrupted with Gallente ideals that we were set up to either emulate, or lose the only significant ally we had. Which is really the entire point - that the progress of the Minmatar people and their Republic should not be corrupted by any outside influences or beliefs. They don’t even have a reconstructed patchwork of dubious authenticity, they have a patchwork of outside influences distracting from any authenticity they could’ve been striving to get back to in the first place.
Taken in the context of the rest of your statements, I hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t believe you.
None of which can be changed. None of it. You can’t undo the Gallente influences any more than you can undo centuries of slavery. All you can do is move on.
That’s exactly what I’ve been hoping Shakor would do ever since he took power, yes.
I don’t really expect anyone to believe anything I say at this point. However, for the sake of there being a correct representation of my current interests publicly stated somewhere, at least, my goal is to see exactly what it takes to make an Imperial-born Amarrian renounce their faith. I’ve tried all manner of vulgar methods, unsuccessfully - or at least, with results that cannot be reliably reproduced with freed slaves in such a way as to be at all productive. So I’m working on several subtler avenues.
If and when I can find a means of convincing Amarrians that their beliefs are inherently flawed, of opening them up to the acceptance of alternative views, and when I can reproduce these results consistently, I will turn my eyes back toward freeing more Minmatar slaves from the Empire. Until then, there’s really very little point.
Except that’s not what you’re advocating in the slightest. All your ‘Traditional Minmatar values and beliefs’ crap is the very opposite of ‘moving on’. It’s staying mired in some kind of fantasy of what was… or maybe was. Or maybe we’d like to think was.
Moving on means growing from who we are, and who we are includes those Minmatar within the Republic who, regardless of how much I may disagree with their choice, believe in the Amarr faith. Moving on means moving on with them, not trying to enforce some ‘traditional’ order on them. Our traditions are less than three centuries old. At this point, they’re barely habits, culturally. They’re almost ‘customs’.
And they include believers in the Amarr Rite.
The second is a lot easier than the first, a lot easier to do consistently, and tends to produce better results than focusing on the first.
What I’m advocating is that the Matari let what we remember of what was, be the primary influence of what is to be. Not what others have forced upon them.
Especially not the Amarr Rite.
But I do understand that it’s a moot point, given that Shakor has taken a much more moderate road than I’d hoped he would. At least he’s not Midular.
It’s a work in progress. At it stands, I’ve only got 8 slaves right now, so progress is painstakingly slow.