Vedmak SPOOL CHEATING in T2 ABYSS?

[Queotzcatl]

Today I lost my Svipul to a Vedmak and two Damavik.

The Vedmak landed two 500 DMG shots, glazing off, and then it pulled off

a WRECKING 1560 DMG shot in its THIRD SHOT.

My Resist were 61% Thermal and 68% Explosive.

I Did the Math.

A Completely Spooled UP Vedmak can do that DMG only with OCCULT.

But it was OVER 20 KM range, so it was Baryon most likely.

I was running away trying to kill the Damavik First, but got NUKED by this monster.

THIS IS CHEATING!

I had Snake implants, I was not webbed, and I was going at full speed at 1300M/s…

It made NO DIFFERENCE.

WTF is going on with these Vedmaks in T2 Gammas???

THIRD SHOT 1560 DMG with 65-68 % Mixed defence mode Svipul, AB ON,

that means a cold bloody Volley of more than 3500… / 3 it’s 1.2K DPS…

Wrecking shot its 100%? So that was at least 600 DPS. The Base value is 250 DPS.

Some Vedmaks do not get 600 DPS not even at FULL SPOOL and that shot was 9 sec in!!!

EVE ABYSS - VEDMAK DEATH of the SVIPUL -T2 GAMMA

[Syzygium]

NPCs do not use Capsuleer Ship- or Ammo-Stats. Some can lock you from thousands of km away. Some can warp even on a deadspace grid. Others web you from 30km even while having no web bonus… And medium trig guns track well enough anyway to hit a moving destroyer, Snakes/Halos or not.

It is how it is, rule #1 in Abyssalrunning: Never let Kikis or Vedmaks spool up on you, they have to die first unless you are in a heavily HAC with Deadspace tank and Asklepian/Crystal set + running drugs. Then - and only then - you can remove some other smal crap before paying attention to them.

[Queotzcatl]

No here there is impossible numbers going on…

1560 Wrecking shot on the third shot is a glitch. t means he had max spool of 1000 DPS X3 minus my resistance… AKA IT’s Either Cheating or a Glitch…

I had active defence tanking the two Damaviks, one was down already,

and Before the Vedmak could out-DPS me it should have taken AT LEAST another 4 -5 spool cycles, time I could have killed the second Dramavik as done hundreds other times…

This time it was like the VEDMAK STARTED at FULL SPOOL… Because a FIRST SHOT OF 300 and a HIT or MAX 1X means with mine 65-78% Resist he had more than 800 initial SPOOL—

My Quick Draws is a Vedmak with Occult , 4X Entropic. Initial lSPOOL MAx 300 DPS!!! TOP SPOOL 1000 DPS… Math isn’t an opinion….

PS: I was flying away from the VED at MAx Speed, usually I can kill One Damavik, and then GO back to the Vedmak or Kiki. If Ved or Kiki is too Fast I always deal with them first… Vedmak was more than 30 km way… but again, here there was no time even if I went straight to him, by the third shot I was in Structure! With Snake and Drugs running at 1000 m/s ! 60 HP/s defence (50 base +11% drugs) and 2500 HP Abyssal MED SHIELD EXTENDER!!! I was dead by the SIXTH SHOT! 18 seconds!!!

[Syzygium]

I worked 15 years in a psychiatric hospital… the walls there looked pretty similar… Are you sure ‘the NPCs cheat’? That ‘something isn’t right’? That ‘something must be done’?

[Queotzcatl]

ah ah

It’ easy, the first img is the Vedmak with the first 6 shots as should have been, with the applied multipliers, on the left. in hte center my Svipul reist that should be subtraced from the raw numbers, and on the right the dms done in hte same time by the two Damaviks, with already applied resists as I remember them from the logs…

The Picture in the background is that of a T2 Maxxed up Vedmak with 4X Entropic lows. As you can see its max spool is more than 1000 DPS. THat is what I used for the calculations.

Six shots, top to bottom. Against the 2500 HP of my Svipul Tank.

The Second image is my Svipul, with the 2500 HP Tank and the resist profile….

And the Active Shield per sec. ( you can’t see the passive other 10 Hp/s.)

With NORMAL Spooling, my tank after SIX SHOTS, should have still had about 1500 HP.

A little more than Half.

Instead by the Sixth SHOT I was DEAD.

That’s not a CONSPIRACY…. Doctor…

[Syzygium]

No no, the signs are clear. They are “on the wall”, literally.

[Queotzcatl]

Ok, I’ll reveal only to you, I’m a keyfaxian, initiated to the ancient order of Chaos….. sshhh…

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@Queotzcatl

I’m

12 Monkeys -(clip 3: Part 2) "Mental divergence"

[Queotzcatl]

That’s one tactic, the other is to fly opposite way of the CRUISERS, BC, BS, and Kill one or two neuting or WEBBING Damaviks, Drams, Any FAST FRIG in general. Then turn back, and DEAL WITH THE CRUISER, etc, trying to KITE your WAY ROUND HIM.

I HAd full Snake Set, Consumed all possible Drugs for +10% Rep, Speed, optimal, falloff, and Signature. 12K very respectable EHP with all LV 5 skills…

This tactic always worked, but I ‘m trying to tell you, that even if I went straight into Kite/Brawl the VEDMAK, a 1560 WRECKING shot in its THIRD SPOOL, it’s MADNESS!

its 400 MAX X3 Wrecking Shot 1200 DMG, then even a 50% resist off means 600 should have passed. For it to be 1560? Even at 50% resist it should have done 3000 /3= 1000 DMG.

It takes a full pimped VEDMAK 2 MINS to go FULL SPOOL and get 1000 DPS. OR 3000 DMG per Volley each 3 sec.

What kind of AMMO was this Vedmak USING???

1000 DPS Full Spool is after T2 Occult…

[Syzygium]

@Queotzcatl

I HAd full Snake Set, Consumed all possible Drugs for +10% Rep, Speed, optimal, falloff, and Signature. 12K very respectable EHP with all LV 5 skills…

Holy moly, T2 Abyssal can be done with an Assaultfrig for less than 100 Million. Jeeez… what the heck are you trying to prove? That one can use a billion ISK ship in there and still die? Grats!

[Queotzcatl]

That that Vedmak cheated, started FULL SPOOL at 1000 DPS, when it usually should take 2mins

for MAX spool to happen… and I was the victim…

[Syzygium]

Yeah Newspaper headlines are already full of it! Thats gonna be a huge story, CCP prepare for a shitstorm!

Unpacking the Abyss: The Unconventional Tactics of NPCs in EVE Online

Opening Paragraph:
In the ever-expanding universe of EVE Online, players often find themselves at the mercy of not only their fellow capsuleers but also the formidable non-playable characters (NPCs) that inhabit the Abyss. Recent investigations have shed light on the unusual and often seemingly unfair tactics employed by these NPCs, raising questions about the integrity of gameplay in this sandbox universe. With reports of NPCs exhibiting “cheat-like” behaviors, the implications for player strategies and game balance are profound.

Relevant Facts and Details:
EVE Online, developed by CCP Games, is a massively multiplayer online game known for its complex economy, player-centric politics, and high-stakes space combat. Within this universe, players can engage in a unique PvE (player versus environment) experience known as Abyssal space, where players navigate perilous environments filled with unpredictable NPCs. These encounters have gained notoriety for their challenging difficulty and the potential for lucrative rewards.

However, a growing body of anecdotal evidence suggests that NPCs in these Abyssal environments are not merely programmed opponents but may exhibit behaviors that many players are interpreting as “cheating.” Reports have surfaced of NPCs performing unexpected maneuvers, such as:

• Instantaneous Acceleration and Deceleration: Players have noted that certain NPCs can accelerate to maximum speeds almost instantaneously, making them nearly impossible to target accurately.
• Unpredictable Positioning: NPCs appear to change their positions erratically, often evading attacks in ways that seem to defy the game’s physics mechanics. This leads to frustrating encounters where players find their well-planned strategies foiled by unpredictable AI behavior.
• Health Regeneration: Some players have claimed that NPCs exhibit rapid health regeneration during combat, particularly when players attempt to regroup or recover from a previous engagement.

In response to these observations, Dr. Elara Voss, a game design researcher at the University of Digital Interaction, stated, “While NPC behavior in games is often designed to challenge players, the line blurs when such behaviors mimic cheating. It raises concerns about the fairness and balance of player experience.”

Quotes and Statements from Relevant Sources:
The debate around NPC tactics has garnered attention not just from players but also from industry insiders. A CCP Games spokesperson, who wished to remain anonymous, responded to these allegations by saying, “The NPCs in Abyssal space are designed to present a unique challenge. We continuously refine their behaviors to enhance player engagement. However, we acknowledge the feedback and will investigate reports of extreme difficulty that disrupt gameplay.”

Moreover, veteran player and EVE Online analyst, Korrin Seldon, expressed his views: “In a game where the players pride themselves on their intelligence and strategic thinking, it feels disheartening when the rules appear to shift mid-fight. We thrive on competition, but it should be a fair fight against NPCs, not a battle against programmed advantages.”

Balanced Perspective:
While many players express frustration regarding NPC tactics in the Abyss, others argue that these challenges are integral to the game’s appeal. The unpredictability of NPC behavior can lead to exhilarating encounters that test a player’s skills and adaptability. Some players even suggest that the unique difficulties presented by NPCs can inspire innovative strategies and new forms of gameplay, ultimately enriching the EVE Online experience.

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Conclusion:
As CCP Games navigates the complexities of NPC behavior in the Abyss, players and analysts alike await clarity on the future of NPC interactions. The dialogue surrounding this issue reflects a broader concern within the gaming community about fairness, challenge, and the integrity of gameplay experiences. While the allure of unpredictability draws players into the Abyss, the question remains: how far can NPCs push the boundaries before they cross into the realm of unfair advantage? In a universe where strategy reigns supreme, the integrity of every encounter is paramount, and players will continue to advocate for a fair and balanced competition—both against their fellow capsuleers and the often unpredictable forces of NPCs in the Abyss.

[Spyke_Austrene]

Jeez pls remove that AI generated wall of text from here.

Tldr yes NPCs “cheat”. They always did. They do not adhere to our player game mechanic.

U got wrecked and died. Could be a glitch but dont explain it by trying to apply our game mechanic to NPCs

[Vokan_Narkar]

Yes NPC cheats. The newer ones more. Diamond rats, triglavians, abyss rats…

[Syzygium]

@Spyke_Austrene

Jeez pls remove that AI generated wall of text from here.

No way, it’s an excellently written article about the huge problem of NPCs cheating that never before anyone could even have imagined! I am sure it will be on all headlines by tomorrow!

[Queotzcatl]

I met a Vedmak+ 2x Damavik room with my new Svipul again, finally, in a T2 gamma!

The Damavik went down immediately, same tactic, I then switched to the Vedmak, and it was dead before I could say “Hell yeah”

Whatever happened the other day, It wasn’t normal.

The only thing I change was my small RF cap battery for a CN web.

And I improved my Active shielding to a A-TYPE, with drugs about 68 HP/s VS c.a 48/s of my dead Svipul run - Also same Low-grade snake implants, 3% lancer dmg.

My Shield tank barely moved past 20% this time…

Vedmak was landing normal shots of less than 100 dmg, as expected… not 500 DMG on first shot

and not certainly 1560 DMG on its third…

MAybe… just maybe… the glitch is with the Tactical Destroyer?

Maybe, just maybe, changing from speed or sharpshooter to Defence,

it screwed the resistance profile and it read 0%???

I’m only imagining what could have happened…

Also The Vedmak could have started at Full Spool of 1000 DPS for some other

unknown kind of “bug” or glitch…

Say what you want but to me this was anything but normal…

PS: I did a T3 Gamma in the same Svipul yesterday and I came out alive…

The only room I had some trouble was the Marshall room, I had to OH to orbit it as fast as I could, and went into armor, but once near him, I could take every single cruiser away with no issues and then deal with him… the Svipul is the second best Destroyer for Abyss, First place is shared by Draugur and Mekubal. Even if it’s a “tactical Destroyer”. It’s on par with the Mamba also.

[Zhix_Steelwall]

the thing with gamma is that u get a debuff to explosive resistance. from what i can see, u were shield tank with 71% explo res, idk how big the debuff was fro u but in higher tiers it can be easily -50%, so u end up with 21% res

[Queotzcatl]

It’s minimal, you lose maybe a 10% max in T2s.

Plus Trig ammo is 250HP Th and 160 EXP, base, with Occult.

Even at 0% resist it could have never landed a 500DMG on its first shot. (A Hit does max 1X or 100%)

It’s like my resist were affected in negative terms, aka amplifying the Trig shots by some further 50-70%… some weird stuff was going on…

The Ved landed a Hit of 500, a glancing off of 360~ and then 1560 wrecking ( 300% MAX) which again, my resist should have been below 0% to be possible…

Normal Ved third SPOOL is max 400 DMG X300% is 1200… my resist should have been -30% or something to transform the hit to 1560…

[Syzygium]

That is not how the resistance debuff works.

[Saraibah]

NPC ships don’t use player fittings… nor do they use the same numbers as a Vedmak that players fly… so stop smoking whatever it is you’re smoking, because as they’ve already told you, you sound like the walls of a psychiatric.