Version 19.08 - General Feedback

As crap as the lack of information is on this…….It’s a UI change.

By the way some of you are going on in here you would think CCP had murdered your cat, your dog and your goldfish.

It’s like any other change for the first two weeks it will be like the end of the world. Everyone screaming, salt over the great injustices of our time, this is the final straw “I’m quitting Eve”. Then after that it will be like it never happened and everyone lose there ■■■■ over the next thing.

Get some perspective

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Since you asked for perspective - The changes to the character window with the large portrait causes my game to crash. So I cannot get to jump clones, character attributes, remapping, standings/interactions etc… So are you saying that now that I cannot get to parts of the game that I frequently use I am not justified in being upset and mentioning it on the forums?

Paid for game time, so you can bet I will file support tickets and complain if suddenly I cannot play it anymore.

Most people that are complaining are not talking about the horrible layout/appearance. They are actually upset because :

  • It has removed information and functionality that is needed
  • Can’t fly and do other stuff and keep an eye on overview/local/etc while having the windows open because the monstrosities cover the whole screen
  • Does NOT fit on small laptop screens properly
  • Large character portrait causes the game to crash for me
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I think the change to our skill page is absolutely horrendous. Honestly, clicking on my player portrait and having that revamped is pretty cool. There is a tab for all the usual stuff, except…skills. If the skills tab was on this UI also and not some separate BS that takes up a lot of room with oversized icons for no reason it wouldn’t be so bad.

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new way to piss off alpha players:
let them make a queue longer than 24h but dont tell them you pause that queue when it will eventually hit the 5m skillpoint cap. Also good idea to not show that cap.

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I went to change my jump clone earlier and it just brought up the picture, even when clicking on the station cloning service. One of my accounts was blessed with the picture not rendering, but I was too lazy to follow the steps on reddit for how to sacrifice your time to recreate it.

There’s some lessons here,

  1. If it ain’t broke dont fix it.
  2. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
  3. if you’re going to mess with it, it better actually be better
  4. when its worse and you shove it out the door anyway make it an optional experimental feature.
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How is this new character sheet and skill queue UI any better or dare I even say useable.
There is no use in separating the 2 and the fact that the skill queue ui opens full screen is ridiculous.
On top of that the layout and positioning of all elements makes it more confusing.
The UI now really just feels like an update just to justify the art department having spend time on this and nobody higher up daring to say it looks dumb

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It’s disgusting CCP prioritize the any UI window over a better overview setting for NPE.

The problem is that players have no faith in CCP to actually listen to feedback (atleast not the people that matter). So thank you for doing what your doing, but what people want is for CCP to listen and act on feedback.

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Очень сырая и кривая штука.
Согласен с тем что разнесение по разным окнам не удобно.
Сверстана она криво и когда она нужна не на весь экран, а например чтоб в очередь скиллов перетащить скилл из описания(корабля\модуля) приходится знатно страдать.
Вкладка для “планов навыков” вообще старичкам не нужна.
Когда уменьшаешь по ширине, много бесполезного пространства остается, а полезное превращается в кашу из текста и цифр.
О-о-о-чень сырой продукт и выкатывать его на основной сервер, мягко говоря - маразм.
Зачем-то убрали время на изучения следующего уровня.
Зато как восхваляют обновление на новостных сайтов. а по факту обновление - пшик. с эпика если полторы калеки будут постоянно играть уже будет достижение. мне грустно от таких обновлений.

Лучше бы контента добавили. :

  • Для сканировщиков например сделать анамальки, в которых, не тупо насканил прилетел потыкал в кнопки, а сделали процедурно генерируемые аномальки для взлома даты\реликтов, как с тайниками спящих, только каждый раз в новых местах, чтоб надо было подумать, полетать, при этом подняли бы лут с них.
  • Или для планетарок расширили бы контент. Как же dust?
  • Или зеленок бы побольше типов.
  • Рорки сейчас способны только луны копать. отличные инвестиции в размере 10ккк.
  • Систему оповещений, а не чатовский интел.
  • Фитилку, где можно устанавливать уровень скилов.
  • Планирование производства. Не просто забивать линию. А нормальный план, с дополнительными расчетами.
  • Для фликомов дополнительные инструменты для информации по флоту.
  • Нормальную структурированное контекстное меню, для обычного смертного, а не вот эту кучу пунктов из разных разделов в одной куче.
  • Расширении биографии персонажа, его боевую статистику.
  • Нормальные сетевые папки и права доступа.
  • Продажа бук(пр. экспедиции), аукцион
  • Контент не для соло фармеров, а например аномальки которые надо проходить в 2-3 корабля. с логистом или должен быть 2 окно со специальным шипом, которое например взламывает, пока ты его прикрываешь или отбиваешься от неписи.
  • Отслеживать на карте прыжки капиталов, чтоб можно было чужих капиталов ловить.
  • Больше специализированных кораблей, под узкие задачи. (например корабль который умеет переключать таргет на себя и вставать в сидж). я не знаю, вариантов дофига.
  • С бородатого года существует целая куча программ и сервисов для евы. почему просто не посмотреть на них и не взять от туда удачные решения? почему соло программист, который на этом не зарабатывает, делает решение удобнее и лучше чем разработчики которые за это берут абонентскую плату?
  • А слоу-мо в системе где 1000 человек. и каждый выстрел длится минуту, а кипстары регенятся в реал-тайме?
  • Неужели нельзя нормально организовать вкладки, с дронами например. Почему даже в мобильной еве все это выглядит красивее и удобнее?! за 20 лет в интерфейсе хоть и быль изменения, но это все такие мелочи.
  • А еще вы кричите о новичках, а где тогда Praxis(на который не надо скиллов) на схеме кораблей?!

А нет мат, надо было сделать кривое, неюзабельное окно со скилами…

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The difference between CCP decision makers and players is…

… decsion makers want something that looks good
… players want something that actually is good

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CCP mode of operation, for the 13 years I have been playing. Nothing has changed in that time:

  1. Put some crappy update on Sisi, which was developed by someone who has no idea of how the game is actually played.
  2. Invite feedback from players
  3. Ignore said feedback completely
  4. Introduce the crappy update into TQ, regardless.
  5. Receive a huge range of complaints from most players
  6. Maybe change a couple of little things to pretend that they are listening to said complaints.
  7. A week later, ignore all further comments and complaints and move onto breaking something else.

New players should be aware of this process, to avoid being under the impression that CCP actually care what people say.

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Because people love doing 3-4 clicks instead of 1 while doing PI, so why not implement this improvement into character UI?

Anyway… the new character sheet/ skills “look good” at first glance but ergonomics are a total disaster

  • TOO BIG
  • lots of information hidden or not available
  • lots of wasted space
  • can’t hide the 3D character
  • skills in a separate window, everyone got used to clicking on the character icon (or on the little blue loading bar)… and having everything character-related (skills definitely are) in 1 window with tabs was a good thing…
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you’re not talking about that mobile game UI or that wiggly character animation, are you?
lol

yep noticed that to. It even gives a little sound when you try to resume the queue but it never actually bothers to tell you why its not working.

Error sounds without an error message. Top quality CCP design.

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Another fun fact:
When you finish daily skilling spree, you’ll probably accidentally jump over 5m cap and stop your training.

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Mobile tractor units (MTU) can no longer be used in:

  • new player starting solar systems
  • career agent solar systems

Isn’t Eve complicated enough already, with mods/ships/deployables behaving differently in hisec/losec/nullsec?
(Also, the error message is cryptic - this will confuse new and old players alike)

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By the way, an interesting thing was noticed by almost all CSM unanimously saying that “this alteration of the window is perfect or they just like it”, the same can be said about some CCP.
I do not want to go into the so-called conspiracies, but apparently they are influenced and they are not ready to speak out that the update is a piece of ■■■■ :с

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Please make the training time visible next to skill again.
It is super inconvenient to have to right click a skill to see this, or alternatively add it to the queue.

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In regards to the new character sheet, after 50 years of gaming, I’ve seen better D&D character sheets for effectiveness and simplicity in showing information. Guess I have only 35 or so years to see improvement from CCP in this regard. :wink::smiley:

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