Ha ha ha, this dubious patch (well it’s better than the one originally suggested) managed to bork the corp chat. “[13:50:05] EVE System > Could not connect to chat server live.chat.eveonline.com:5222”
those barge hp and drone buffs seem like a great way to ruin frigate pvp even more
The details can be found in the supporting document 2, but in short, players will be reimbursed the Skill Points and the ISK cost for the skill books, and should they decide to train all the new skills, they will be left with about 1.8 million unallocated Skill Points after completing training for the new ones.
In Short I was only reimbursed 1.6 mil skill points when I used to be able to mine all of the ores upto and including bistot. Now I’m about 7 mill skill point short. In what universe is this a re-imbursment to bring me back to what I used to be able to mine?
I feel completely ripped off CCP. I have to now train a heap of other books just to be able to mine what I used too, that’s just crap. I bet skillpoints go on sale this week. 
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Abyssal Ore Reprocessing Skills anyone who had them has just been ripped off!
I had all 3 to Lvl 3 and now I don’t even have access to the skill, wth CCP???
These Skill books were bought from a Triglavian Station in Pochven, you literally just stole from me!
These Skills CANNOT be bought from the market NOR directly from the skill queue, you gave me ISK for skills I can’t buy. You should have issued a New Skill Book to everyone who had these skills active, not just ripped them off.
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Edit: this seems to be a result of the known tooltip bug - you can ignore the post.
Type C crystals are completely useless in their current state
… given their current numbers. It seems B crystals destroy asteroids faster?
The purpose of Type C crystals is to clear asteroids fast when you do not care about yield. However, as residue is tied to yield, the heavy yield penalty of type C crystals means even their excessive residue production and chance means nothing as their yield is nothing.
Some numbers, (for my mining character with decent skills in a Procurer.)
Type B
(Tech 2 crystals)
Residue Probability 64%
Residue Volume Muliplier 1x
Cycle time 144s
Amount mined: 2673 m3
Amount wasted (average): 2673 * 1 * 0.64 = 1710
Average mount of asteroid removed per cycle:
2673 + 1710 = 4383 m3
Average amount of asteroid removed per second:
4383 / 144 = 30.4 m3
Type C
(Using Tech 2 crystals)
Residue Probability 93%
Residue Volume Muliplier 29x
Cycle time: 180s
Amount mined: 33m3
Amount wasted (average): 33 * 29 * 0.93 = 890 m3
Average amount of asteroid removed per cycle:
33 + 890 = 923 m3
Average amount of asteroid removed per second:
923 / 180 = 5 m3
Please someone point out that I made a mistake somewhere, because if I didn’t, it means Type C crystals destroy asteroids 6 times slower than using a type B crystal, where I would expect them to destroy asteroids significantly faster as compensation for their low yield.
Edit: result of a tooltip bug. Type C destroys rocks about 50% faster than type B, which isn’t impressive considering the nonexistent yield, but is at least better than type B for destroying rocks.
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Thank you for the large update. i have just one question: is “Residue” a fancy word for “wast”?
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I am a normal miner. I have one toon trained 100% for Orca/porpoise and used to have an alt in exhumers. The last 2-3 years have been 100% garbage for every miner in the game and this patch is just another turd on the heaping pile excrement that is the eco balance.
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So you’re an Orca miner (and had a normal miner but not really), the most AFKish of all AFKing miners. The one who doesn’t adapt, adjust or improve: just sit there in a belt, with your mining drones doing the work because you couldn’t even be bothered to activate mining lasers.
I’m glad play styles like that get neutered. Adventurous and active miners have been doing just fine: the ones who HTFU, adapt and overcome.
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Shouldn’t that be the same skill book you need for the Rorqual?
EDIT: Intentional only available via remote buy.
Typical CCP double speak…
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Was it intentional for these to include orienting the crystal in such a way that it’s obscured like this?
I can’t help but think with 3 corners to choose from which have nothing obscuring like this, to choose the only one that does is a bit weird.
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so much crying here, ccp destroyed the game, the patch is a joke! why dont you just quit? i guess its impossible to make a patch that would make those ppl happy
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Still no risk / reward fix for null sec as you liars had promised in the july blog.
Instead DBS population control remains in effect.
Taking my christmes money elsewhere.
pathetic.
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Good catch and if I remember it correctly the old crystals were aligned bottom left to top right and did not have that issue.
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Calm down folks.
I for one would like to congratulate the devs, for delivering an exicting and confusing new aspect to the game that nobody really asked for
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Hey guys, Can we get an edit to the item description for mining crystals that lists the ore types the crystal is good for? Thanks!
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Harvestable resources of every variety have been doubled across the board, from asteroid belts, to ice, to gas sites, to moon extractions – bringing players more opportunity than ever before to carve out their own bountiful destiny among the stars.
More than ever before huh? 
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CCP_Rattati and his sidekick just showed his incompetence… again
One more idiotic mechanic in the game.
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In all the time I have mined, I have never afk mined. So let’s get that out of the way. I know that it takes 3.5 hours to solo mine an orca to fill it. I only trained orca over barges because the guys/corps I played with did not have a booster.
You must have a fundamental lack of understanding. These changes along with every other change that ECO team have done in 2-3 year have hurt the whole game. Prices of everything are through the roof and the player counts are way down. The activity in space is WAY DOWN.
You left one out. Leave and stop supporting CCP because the direction of the game is going is not fun or rewarding.
I believed CCP’s lie that scarcity was going to be over or improve. I learnt my lesson I will never believe anything CCP ever says again.
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The Miasmos became buggy.
Gallante Industrial skill level 5, ore hold capacity only 46200m3.
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