Wardec - mechanics to eliminate players

Your list probably won’t cover anything that hasn’t been said in the last 14 years, some people simply don’t want to listen.

Lol, I’m not that much of a bastard.

Praise where praise is due, for a newbie he demonstrated a remarkable understanding of the nature of the game, something many fail at despite playing for many years.

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Yeah it only took a few minutes to find plenty of articles and blogs on what to do including non pvp solutions so idk. Maybe be ill shut up now lol.

Ask, and I’m sure many of us will do our best to deliver.

As Jonah pointed out, you are already on the right track and well beyond others that have never understood what EVE is, even as vets.

You have our ears.

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Indeed they will, if someone is willing to shoot you in the face, they’re usually more than happy to tell you how to not be shot in the face so easily next time.

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Is it possible to form an alliance with a pvp Corp and then they can agress your war target? If so pay a low sec or null sec Corp some Isk and I’m sure they’d love a chance to come burn up high sec for a bit. :smiling_imp:

There’s the ally mechanic, which wholly favours the target; they can either pay others to join them as allies, or people can offer to join them as allies; an informal and temporary alliance as opposed to the formal ones that exist ingame.

Here’s some reading material for you.

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Thanks for those links. Checking it out.

It is eminently possible, and infact advisable.
Caveat: It doesnt mean necessarily that the alliance you joined will aggress your wardec opponent, but it does mean they would be remiss not to help you defend your corps Citadels and players against them.

There are Mercenary Corps you can hire for a specific task, but they are expensive.
Typically you wouldnt be dealing with LS or NS corps, unless your target, you and the Merc corp operate in that same sector.

Here are some things to know. Corps who like and are expierienced in open PvP don’t live in highsec. This by natural selection. Merc groups are fighting in highsec, also for ISK, but they are all blue to each other. If you get attacked it’s likely by a merc group. Who do you think will help you against? You see what this means?

… become good at PvP or have PvP friends in low or nullsec not blue to the mercs, but then why would you live in highsec?

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Ok I see that’s a logistical problem for sure. :thinking:

You came to the wrong game. Bye!

You’re wrong.

Yeah. The first few months in this game I performed a lot of Hi-Sec tasks: missions, hauling, mining, ratting. I know different groups, which are linked to NPC corporations , but acting like a player based corporation when it’s time for Incursions, ganking, defending somebody, mining… I haven’t problems with War Decs at all and I’m not interested in corporations currently. I’m a nomadic explorer. I’m in J-space, Delve, Esoteria, Stain, Curse, Amamake, Cobalt Edge, Hek market and I’m ok with PVP. I’m trying to defend those small groups, which doing their mining and production on PVE level, from griefers, calling themselves PVPers. For them to make some profit, they just need to craft some cheap things under own citadel buff safely.

This post is a good example to serve as a parody of what current War Dec is. From all my arguments you just split an “It’s hilarious” adjective and ‘fake-pointed’ it as what I want to point at.

Well, I’m not the author of the next diagram:

But the author is a damn right with it. See? There are sections named: PVE, PVP, Marketing, Industry, Community. We on this forum have coordinates: EVE->Community->Out-of-Game->Official Forums. Players during sub believe in this banner, believe in CCP motto. Actually after so many CSMs and patches the mechanic changed in direction that PVP has huge affect on any other aspect of this game. We can see PVP everywhere in locations which officially are called ‘safe space’, PVP in hauling, PVP in moon mining, PVP in Industry, PVP in mining (like CODE and other gankers), PVP in missions, PVP in Incursions and even PVP on forums. The forums are designed for communication and conversation, but there are attempts to do PVP on forums. After all this the phrase ‘MOAR PVP’ is still actual.

As for me the Missions, Incursions, Mining, Industry, Community, Exploration, Hauling aren’t PVP. They are game activity, Player vs rats, Player vs cans, Player vs blueprints, Player vs rocks and etc. Only Marketing can be counted as an nontrivial PVP activity, because there is competition on the market. Community isn’t PCP - it’s a conversation between players. Corporations are under PVP flag, but Hi-Sec rookie corps using them for in game community managements, logistic and industry. Corporation is a tool of resource management, but not a PVP tool. Don’t mix Citadels, which are beacons to project power, with corporations in Hi-Sec even if they holding one crafting Astrahus.

Wiki resources are accurate and quality which are made by students, specialists and professors:

Player(s) versus player(s), better known as PvP, is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants.[1] This is in contrast to games where players compete against computer-controlled opponents and/or players, which is referred to as player versus environment (PvE). The terms are most often used in games where both activities exist,[2] particularly MMORPGs, MUDs, and other role-playing video games. PvP can be broadly used to describe any game, or aspect of a game, where players compete against each other. PvP is often controversial when used in role-playing games. In most cases, there are vast differences in abilities between experienced and novice players. PvP can even encourage experienced players to immediately attack and kill inexperienced players.[3] PvP is sometimes called player killing.

Massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPGs) are a combination of role-playing video games and massively multiplayer online games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual world.

It’s not Massively Multiplayer Online PVP Game (MMOPVPG)! It purpose isn’t to smash the faces of each others on log in.

I can agree with you in one argument only - the classical MMORPG concept must be changed and divided into three sections: Pure PVE MMORPG (MMOPVEG like Shroud of the Avatars), Mixed PVP/PVE MMORPG (MMOPEG like WoW and I’d say current EVE), Pure PVP MMORPG (MMOPVPG like DOTA2, League of Legends, WoT, Hearthstone). As soon the game has its ‘sandbox’ it can’t be pure PVP. In the games like DOTA2, on log in, you have a new game with the main task: “Face is the Place!

Finally, look at Providence. PanFam just farmed them. It wasn’t a PVP - it was a pure PVE farming, before TEST decide to be involved. Now that looks like more like a PVP. The CVA case is a perfect case how this War Dec works on the Meta level. But that’s Null-Sec, but this is ‘safe Hi-Sec’. If NC/PL want to PVP, why they don’t go to DRF again or don’t farming Delve, but Providence. You with your corporation, for example, can square up and go to Delve or Tribute core systems. I guarantee, you’ll enjoy a great PVP experience.

No, it’s not!

What you are doing in EVE to manage to carry it, Jonah?

For example, imagine you are doing FW. And a PVP group has its purpose to PVP exactly you by following you whenever you’ll decide to fly. How you’ll perform your true game play to conquest the flag in this case? You have to sit there 20 mins, which is enough time for them to warp in in majority. How you’ll manage it?

Lets say you found a tasty exploration site. You can perform it in a special none PVP dedicated ship. At that gate is sitting a PVP dude in a ‘face-roller’ PVP fitted Vigilant. He can sit there all the day. You have only one hour for it available. How you’ll manage it? Do you’ll hire the MC to come here and kick his ass?

Lets say you, and your small corp, decided to craft T2 shield extenders. Your old, rich and experienced opponent notices it. PVP begins. He hires everyone to War Dec your corp, to gank your supplies. Finally, he’ll put hundreds of T2 Shield Extenders on the market with industry price and even lower. with no profit at all. How you’ll manage it?

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If you check the highsec ecosystem, you find

  • newbies
  • clueless solo people
  • people who want to avoid PvP
  • people who perfectly know what they are doing

Now, who will fight whom here with which result?

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CCP disagree with you; as per the new player faq.

once you enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept. In the asteroid field you’re competing with other pilots to obtain resources; you may also have to defend against ore thieves. On the market you battle for control of the economy in certain areas; for the supply and demand of your products versus other aspiring tycoons. On the battlefield you may fight for glory, for money, or for the right to rule whole areas of space. As always in EVE, it’s your choice.

Many things, the least of which is redundancy.

If I get wardecced the aggressors get blue balls while I either play on an alt with pretty much the same skillset and standings, or move to a wormhole chain for a couple of weeks and raid the sites while the occupants sleep.

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I do see at least one Merc group in the Merc section advertising structure defense and targeting other mercs.

As for cost find other corps in and around your space who’s being wardeced by the same group or has been previously and come up with the isk.

Might be a solution?

One thing I don’t see are high sec corps in the Corp recruitment section looking for active pvp’ers to help them deal with wardecs. I mean maybe there are no pvp types who will, idk but I don’t see them trying is my point.

Other than that what about non pvp options. Why not just pay them off? Or do most wardec groups just do it for the lolz?

Heh, yeah. With Mining Ledger the Mining become a pure PVP activity. Now lets establish a new zMiningboard rating site. Moreover, let’s set up even a zLogiboard one.

It sounds like an avoidance, but not like to deal or manage with. Anyway, it’s a common option. Good in case if your corporation hasn’t any Citadel deployed.

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Yes absolutely. That wasn’t the point I was making.

Those activities float on a PvP landscape.
Even though you are engaged in a PvE activity, PvP is onminpresent.

Furthermore, however and whatever you do with those assets gained from those activities constitute economic PvP.

EVE is a PvP contiuum.
Every action is PvP, even if its taken in PvE.

There is no escape from PvP in EVE.